how did they do it (pre ban)

[toplamper 5]

i was just thinking how did people used to bring ther dogs on for fox's as i wouldnt know i did not get a lurcher untill after the ban was inforced upon us.......p.s this a serius question dont want a slagging match or people going on about ohhh this will make things worse coz it wont ok

[allgame 0]

same as a rabbit, you'd slip them on them

[Guest jt750]

I presume you mean on the lamp

 

I was told to bring your dogs on slowly because some would excell at one quarry and not at other so here's how we did it.Start your dog off in its first season by showing it 2 or 3 bunnies once a week because its joints weren't properly set until around 18 months old abd running it hard before then could ruin it later on in its life.Once past this age we run it twice a week on plenty of bunnies so it learnt how to deal with the land and buuny.In its second season run it plenty at rabbit until it was seriously fit and around dec/jan start it on daytime hare (We always thought lamping hare wasn't right unless the land was over run with them and in these parts we had too many poachers for that to happen) Once it learned to catch hare daytime and deal with a bigger animal it was tested on fox. Some dogs will and some won't take a fox and that is it. We liked a dog to kill a fox not fight it and the fighters were put back to hare or rabbit whatever they were good at. Stupid you might say but at the end of the day a battered dog wasn't earning its keep and any dog that didn't earn its keep ended up as a pet. I have seen dogs that wouldn't take fox at all when they were 3 and 4 but when they got to 6 and 7 got stuck into them as good as any good dog

 

No doubt i'm going i'm going to be told i'm talking out my @rse but thats how we did it. We didn't live in an instant gratification age and wanted our dogs to last the course not burn them out by the time the're 2 years old or jacking because they've been asked too much.These dogs were pot fillers and put beer money in your pocket if you had good un

[blackpack 70]

ive always started the young dog 14-18 month with a experienced dog with the terriers bolting them and slipping the older dog first then the young one and do the same at night. Also i dont let them rag a dead fox i do this 3-4 times and sometimes it works sometimes it dont not all lurchers will do it.

[JPTfellterrier 65]

i was told to get them spot on on rabbits then try them on somthing that has a little more fight e.g. rats and then move on to fox

 

although many dogs have the instinct without

[bird 9,970]

I presume you mean on the lamp

 

I was told to bring your dogs on slowly because some would excell at one quarry and not at other so here's how we did it.Start your dog off in its first season by showing it 2 or 3 bunnies once a week because its joints weren't properly set until around 18 months old abd running it hard before then could ruin it later on in its life.Once past this age we run it twice a week on plenty of bunnies so it learnt how to deal with the land and buuny.In its second season run it plenty at rabbit until it was seriously fit and around dec/jan start it on daytime hare (We always thought lamping hare wasn't right unless the land was over run with them and in these parts we had too many poachers for that to happen) Once it learned to catch hare daytime and deal with a bigger animal it was tested on fox. Some dogs will and some won't take a fox and that is it. We liked a dog to kill a fox not fight it and the fighters were put back to hare or rabbit whatever they were good at. Stupid you might say but at the end of the day a battered dog wasn't earning its keep and any dog that didn't earn its keep ended up as a pet. I have seen dogs that wouldn't take fox at all when they were 3 and 4 but when they got to 6 and 7 got stuck into them as good as any good dog

 

No doubt i'm going i'm going to be told i'm talking out my @rse but thats how we did it. We didn't live in an instant gratification age and wanted our dogs to last the course not burn them out by the time the're 2 years old or jacking because they've been asked too much.These dogs were pot fillers and put beer money in your pocket if you had good un

 

 

 

 

Good thread mate, [they do or they dont] plus how many[ really] go out on here [just] looking for foxes pre ban,?? Most will do the odd fox, when mature [3-5] years old. But serious fox [control] night+night , only few dogs [will] most dogs [dont] .????

[poacher3161 1,766]

dont know av heard they dont taste very nice somebody told me to torment your dog with a basil brush puppet.

[Guest Lamper18]

take them out slip them on a fox they reither do it or they dont

[trick_the_slip 0]

i think if the dog is game enough it will go into them any dog learns by its mistakes after the first few trials imp

[Guest MickyB]

take them out slip them on a fox they reither do it or they dont

I agree, if the dog is phisically ready and you belive it is mentally ready, then try it!! Pre ban, mine self entered on fox at an early age (7 months) in the daytime, and made it look easy, i held him back, never phisically overmatching him while he was young, and he never looked back.

[skycat 6,173]

take them out slip them on a fox they reither do it or they dont

 

 

Yes, but you dont' say at what age! A pup of 6 or 7 months is hardly ready for a fox, though I'll agree there are sometimes exceptional dogs, though its more likely that a pup of that age being bitten by a fox would have been put off for life.

 

jt50's post is one of the most sensible I've read in a long while and people new to the game would do well to read it and learn IMO.

[Guest Lamper18]

all my dogs are entered at 8-9mnth old

[Guest miller1989]

i was told to get them spot on on rabbits then try them on somthing that has a little more fight e.g. rats and then move on to fox

 

although many dogs have the instinct without

 

 

If you want a fox dog a realy good dog from proven dogs,i would definitally not be running many bunnies i wouldnt do what you just said back to front,Ratting as a pup, grey squirrels,mink,and when there mature enough fox,then bunnies! Just my opinion on good fox dogs as many proven dam nd sire fox dogs throw excellent litter and two or three people hit bunnys at 9-14 months and when tried on fox bottled it they get to used to not being bit back etc and the rest of the litter was excellent on them!

[toplamper 5]

double the dog up with a experienced dog if the dog has the heart to do it then it will do it if it doesnt then its tuff shit, keep on trying untill it does do it.and my [bANNED TEXT] had a dog tht at the age of 7 month was killing foxes by its self it was a small first cross bull greyhound and thts no lye. a few people on hear whos from sunderland will no the dog

 

 

hey had jet out the over nite on the local golf course were i got permisson and she ran 5 bunnys killed 5 mate she doin well

[Guest oldskool]

i was told to get them spot on on rabbits then try them on somthing that has a little more fight e.g. rats and then move on to fox

 

although many dogs have the instinct without

 

 

If you want a fox dog a realy good dog from proven dogs,i would definitally not be running many bunnies i wouldnt do what you just said back to front,Ratting as a pup, grey squirrels,mink,and when there mature enough fox,then bunnies! Just my opinion on good fox dogs as many proven dam nd sire fox dogs throw excellent litter and two or three people hit bunnys at 9-14 months and when tried on fox bottled it they get to used to not being bit back etc and the rest of the litter was excellent on them!

 

 

 

 

i always start my lurchers and terriers to fox by lamping them with the rifle... i can see your point about leaving rabbits to the last because the dog is full of confidence as it gets into the swing of lamping rabbits and then it gets an instant shock when it pulls a fox in the same manor and gets a sore nose as a result... not all lurchers will react in a bad temper where as your method would have prepared them better but still i kind of disagree... mostly because the dog can lamp rabbits and learn all about the spot light by doing so whilst at the same time i can take out the rifle, shoot the fox dead and then allow the lurcher a run at it when its illuminated in the beam.... i know its a dead fox, but still, it gets him aquainted and after a few rags he'l meet a woundy (there will always be a woundy when shooting) and he can be introduced along side another lurcher or maybe terrier... after a few times he should be ready on his own....

 

 

BUT all in all jt750's post is excellent