the difference between a fox set and a badger?

[derbylad 1]

the fact someone asks the question, although stupid (Asin they really should be out with somoen who knows the crack first), is only secoundary to some of the idiot replies from people who have clearly done feck all in the way of terrierwork.

 

 

 

my advice would be to find some boys that are doing abit, lend a hand and learn from them, you will learn very little throught text or type. if you cant manage that, do your home work, go out on your own, sit above some places all summer just watching and learning, teach yourself the signs, you never know you may find something others have missed, you will soon get to know what uses where and the behavior patterns of your quarry, then you shall be ready for next season to go quetly at it and be safe in the knowledge you have done your upmost to keep yoursefl legal.

 

ffs stupid yeh i buy a bushing terrier that goes straight down a hole when out once i try to call her out nothing i can hear her barking but yet she still doesnt come out (yeh im no terrier man nor do i claim to be ) and the dog had only ever seen rats befor about an hour later she comes out ,she took a nasty wack that day and i dont want it happening again tbh i think ill stick to running dogs because it sounds like no one on here as a fukin clue anyway, and as for finding lads to take you out its easier to learn the hard way DO IT YOUR SELF i came on here asked for a little advice get called ridiculous and stupid at least im out with my dogs not chatting shite on here all day HUNTERS dont make me laugh

[aaron01 737]

one is sort of legal to dig and one sort of isnt lol

[digger63 3]

Im not trying to be contraversial or a smart arse,im willing to share knowledge with less experianced hunters,ive had good advice myself,but honestly if you cant get something as basic as "is it a badger earth or fox earth" you are nowhere near ready to put a dog to ground period,

 

As my good mate poacher 3161 says if you listen to the vast majority of keepers[not all] you wont learn f..k all worth knowing,add most hunt terrier men to that list as well,

brave statement but i wouldn't say anything i couldn't back up,trust me on that one.

you must have some shite hunt terriermen up your way because around here the terriermen are all spot on lads who dig 5/6 days a week.im good mates with lads from 4 local packs and dig with all of them.on the other hand if you cannot tell a pig set from an earth then you have a long way to go.cheers mouse.

 

Mouse fair play if they are genuine lads,and ive travelled a fair distance to hunt with different packs so its not just lads local to me im talking about.

Better not elaborate though or certain people will jump on me for mentioning hunts,they know who they are.

atb steve

[digger63 3]

Im not trying to be contraversial or a smart arse,im willing to share knowledge with less experianced hunters,ive had good advice myself,but honestly if you cant get something as basic as "is it a badger earth or fox earth" you are nowhere near ready to put a dog to ground period,

 

As my good mate poacher 3161 says if you listen to the vast majority of keepers[not all] you wont learn f..k all worth knowing,add most hunt terrier men to that list as well,

brave statement but i wouldn't say anything i couldn't back up,trust me on that one.

your probably a jealous b*****d that no hunt would have around them hunt terrier men wood dig more in half a season than a prick like you

 

I turned 2 hunts down when offered jobs with them,i decided when and where to work my dogs not some master.Considering you dont have a f.....g clue who i am thats a stupid statement,at one time i had permission in 5 counties and more land than some hunts.PRICK.

[Guest miller1989]

The bedding the smell the claw marks and usually they polish the enterance and its alot bigger than good holding fox earths,besides the point if the terrier has worked fox before he will/should let you know if ones home or not!

[lancer 13]

sometimes you might find a fox in a badger sett or a badger in a fox sett or either in a rabbit sett,

[moosedog 2]

just bear in mind everyone without the hunt terrier men of old you wouldnt have any good working lines of terrier,cant comment on the rest of the country but lots of good terrier where im from you can trace there bloodline back to the hunt and the patterdale/Fell and lakeland would never of existed atb

[StephOC 6]

I've also seen rabbits, foxes and badgers come out of the same sett. If you look really closely at the entrances (and maybe rake around in the soil) there will be the odd hair, you may already know this, but you can tell if its badger even if its discoloured and old, by roling it between your fingers - badger hair isn't round, it's more like a triangle shape and you can feel this.

[derbylad 1]

how can you tell what set it is if theres no signs of fox hair etc? is there anyway of telling its a fox set befor you put the dog to ground

cheers

 

i like to kown aswell atb

 

keano

 

 

i think this thread has proved unless you see the fox go down theres no 100% that its a fox down there untill you dig to it like i said think ill get rid and just keep running dogs less hassle

[dehoffmeister 2]

be carful how you reply to this lads

[digger63 3]

how can you tell what set it is if theres no signs of fox hair etc? is there anyway of telling its a fox set befor you put the dog to ground

cheers

 

i like to kown aswell atb

 

keano

 

 

i think this thread has proved unless you see the fox go down theres no 100% that its a fox down there untill you dig to it like i said think ill get rid and just keep running dogs less hassle

 

Derbylad,

I didn't mean you were ridicilouse not at all,i meant some of the advice was,its a serious offence if you made a mistake,a mate got 5 months in jail.As for knowing whats in an earth,sometimes its easy and sometimes it isn't,i used to come down your way years ago and some earths are difficult to read in that sort of ground,especially the rocky type entranced ones,a lot of people on here will never see any rocks its a different ball game.

A few young lads on here have asked what type of terrier is best for bushing,ive allways given the same answer,dont get a terrier for rabbits.

I f you see any signs of badger its safer to avoid that area alltogether,not easy with so many about now i know,but thats how it is.atb steve

[JPTfellterrier 65]

claw marks, foot prints, stinks diffrently, loads of kick back(soil) around the entrance.....but remember foxes can inhabit old badger sets they can also sometimes live together so be careful...good luck with it

 

edited to say ive learned from gamekeepers, before hand i wouldnt have had a clue...you got to start somewere dont you?

you av learned from gamekeepers you will av learned feck all then good terriermen arnt gamekeepers

yep gamekeepers no nothing about pest control despite it being a large part of there job

[OldNog 432]

claw marks, foot prints, stinks diffrently, loads of kick back(soil) around the entrance.....but remember foxes can inhabit old badger sets they can also sometimes live together so be careful...good luck with it

 

edited to say ive learned from gamekeepers, before hand i wouldnt have had a clue...you got to start somewere dont you?

you av learned from gamekeepers you will av learned feck all then good terriermen arnt gamekeepers

yep gamekeepers no nothing about pest control despite it being a large part of there job

 

they like to think they know more than they actually do

Edited May 1, 2009 by OldNog

[digger63 3]

just bear in mind everyone without the hunt terrier men of old you wouldnt have any good working lines of terrier,cant comment on the rest of the country but lots of good terrier where im from you can trace there bloodline back to the hunt and the patterdale/Fell and lakeland would never of existed atb

 

Dont want to hog the thread but thats an interesting post,imo most of the threadbare fell packs couldn't afford full time terrier men and some of the very best dogs were created by tennant farmers,road workers,school teachers and god knows who,not full time terrier men,my own stock was from S Wilkinson,and could be traced back to A Heinamann's dogs,he wasn't exactly using them for fox though was he?

[derbylad 1]

how can you tell what set it is if theres no signs of fox hair etc? is there anyway of telling its a fox set befor you put the dog to ground

cheers

 

i like to kown aswell atb

 

keano

 

 

i think this thread has proved unless you see the fox go down theres no 100% that its a fox down there untill you dig to it like i said think ill get rid and just keep running dogs less hassle

 

Derbylad,

I didn't mean you were ridicilouse not at all,i meant some of the advice was,its a serious offence if you made a mistake,a mate got 5 months in jail.As for knowing whats in an earth,sometimes its easy and sometimes it isn't,i used to come down your way years ago and some earths are difficult to read in that sort of ground,especially the rocky type entranced ones,a lot of people on here will never see any rocks its a different ball game.

A few young lads on here have asked what type of terrier is best for bushing,ive allways given the same answer,dont get a terrier for rabbits.

I f you see any signs of badger its safer to avoid that area alltogether,not easy with so many about now i know,but thats how it is.atb steve

 

 

 

fair point i no most terrier men have sighting and are 100% befor they put there dogs to ground or the land owner has seen the fox + ive had plenty of pvt messages saying they only go to ground if 100% its fox tbh she was a good bushing dog till she went to ground now i cant risk her off the lead so may need to get rid now