Neal 1,857 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Matty, no worries mate; I didn't take your comment as being in any way sarcastic and in fact I completely agreed with your post. I was more worried about my comments being taken by others as pro-Hancock and starting another one of those threads. Jack; there are some photos of Remus in Hancock's, "My Life With Lurchers," and a particularly good one in Plummer's, "Practical Lurcher Breeding." To be honest, it's the only reason I still have the book as I love that photo. From the photos I've seen of working and show beardies, there doesn't always appear to be a great difference in the length of coat, more the texture. Conversely, Remus' coat was shorter and just kind of tatty and untidy looking...in a pleasant way. I've just checked in the book and he was apparently only 20" which I believe is a lot shorter than most working beardies. Quote Link to post
Fieldsporthunter 1,864 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 the main thing that puts me off the beardie collie crosses is the lack of working lines of this pastoral breed as it became unpopular as a working dog, and the show fraternity doing what they do best, which is to render working breeds almost useless, but thats another thread all in itself. theres a fair few people breeding this cross but there cant be that many proper working beardies around to use so common sense tells you they must be using show or below average standard beardies that have no working background which is not going to produce a good lurcher imo .but would be interested to hear from people who have this cross where the beardie side of breeding came from apart from the mass producing legend that is. dont get upset anyone its not a dig just a genuine question the beardie in my 3/4 grey beardie bitch was brought down from the isle of skye by d. plummer. so definatly working lines. Quote Link to post
matty73 4 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 the beardie in my 3/4 grey beardie bitch was brought down from the isle of skye by d. plummer. so definatly working lines. not being funny but why does that mean its definatly from working lines, because plummer says so or because it came from isle of skye.even if true that must have been some time ago and doubt if that line is responsible for the crosses seen at present .like i said the vast majority of beardies used today are show dogs its a hard pill to swallow but true Quote Link to post
roady 0 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 a very good cross if the right beardie is used,went out with a lad years back who had one of these and there wernt much it couldnt do,day time hares i saw it catch giving hare twenty thirty yards law,a good baseline for breeding good allrounders Quote Link to post
Neal 1,857 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I remember years ago when Plummer was going through one of his, "what-shall-I-do-next" phases that he wrote an article in which he said he was going to produce a line of merle coloured beardies. He went into great detail about how little border blood the line would need before they could legitimately be still called beardies. Lo and behold, a few years later, another article in which it is claimed that there have always been merle beardies and the only reason we never see them at Crufts is because the original stock, which produced the show lines, didn't use the merle ones. What an amazing coincidence! Edited May 1, 2009 by Neal Quote Link to post
Fieldsporthunter 1,864 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 not being funny but why does that mean its definatly from working lines, because plummer says so or because it came from isle of skye.even if true that must have been some time ago and doubt if that line is responsible for the crosses seen at present .like i said the vast majority of beardies used today are show dogs its a hard pill to swallow but true . because i know that plummer brought the grandsire down from isle of skye from a sheperd named tom muirhead. Quote Link to post
mackay 3,328 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Edited May 1, 2009 by mackay Quote Link to post
Guest SJM Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I had a beardie greyhound first cross out of Marc H Glenns working beardie sheamus and she was a great little lamp dog, with a high catch rate. Im not sure what happened to Adrian he did used to write some good articles though As far as I was led to beleive, Plummer got his beardie stock mainly from Tom Muirhead, I dont know about Tom living on the Isle of Skye, but he was a shepherd locally and his dogs would have been the tools of his trade Quote Link to post
Neal 1,857 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I thought Muirhead came from The Pentland Hills near Dunsyre. Quote Link to post
Guest WILF Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Beardie blooded lurcher who was bred for the cold uplands and ferreting. Her double jacket was a godsend in those conditions. One shake and she was dry again. This bitch used to jump on frozen ponds to crack the ice so that she could sit in the icy water below. Same bitch in Australia, running regularly in much higher temperatures than in the UK and not one problem with her jacket. A very nice bitch mate, and I maight add, with a very nice nature. Quote Link to post
Stabs 3 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 She's driving me up the bloody walls mate She's still got another couple of weeks before she's allowed off the lead again. And what did I find on the front paddock this morning when I opened the curtains? I'm going to have to be acreful with her. She has got a nice nature but she flogs the shit out of her son Quote Link to post
Guest WILF Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Glad to hear she is on the mend pal........to be honest, I not a fan of collies as a rule......but then I have seen a few shite ones, but that bitch I really like a lot. How is big Clynt, still ugly? Not seen him around for a while.......... Quote Link to post
Stabs 3 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Glad to hear she is on the mend pal........to be honest, I not a fan of collies as a rule......but then I have seen a few shite ones, but that bitch I really like a lot. How is big Clynt, still ugly? Not seen him around for a while.......... He's smarter than the pair of us mate...he doesn't get on here much He's good. He was down a couple of weeks back for the football. We had to leave the stadium after we had a couple of disagreements with some away fans Back up to his soon hopefully. Will take young Jasper for a look at the hares. Couldn't take him last time as he was covered in fleas and since we replaced the Landy, he ain't allowed in the posh motor Funny bitch that one of mine. Will find foxes all day long, but won't touch them solo...just an arse biter. Show her something that could kill her in the blink of an eye and she's like a friggin' tiger She's driven Quote Link to post
Guest WILF Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 We had to leave the stadium after we had a couple of disagreements with some away fans I dont suppose copious amounts of beer and red wine had anything to do with it? Quote Link to post
Stabs 3 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 We had to leave the stadium after we had a couple of disagreements with some away fans I dont suppose copious amounts of beer and red wine had anything to do with it? Hand on heart mate, alcohol was the problem but not from our point of view...we were both stone cold sober The away fans were full of liquid bravery that soon deserted them when they were called to task You'd like this bitches son mate...he's turning out some ok performances Quote Link to post
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