Guest Frank Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nice one Ditch shitter. Frank. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted July 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I agree with both points of view, you don't really want to knock peoples dogs when they post them, bit harsh ... on the other hand nightwalker you do have a point bull crosses are the lurcher to have these days judging by the amount of people who own them, but how many really work them to the quarry there intended for...give me a 3/4grey 1/4 collie any day :11: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MOLLY Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 bull crosses are the lurcher to have these days judging by the amount of people who own them, but how many really work them to the quarry there intended for I dont, what is wrong in that? Is the dog any less of a dog because she doesnt? Is she unhappier? Does she actually know it Would it be wrong to work a Saluki x on Fox or rabbits? By your definition of the bull x it would MOLL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jasper65 6 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Just a warning for some members to start posting threads properly instead of all this abbreviated text talking pish thats riddling most of the hunting forums you will be warned first and then removed if you keep on, the same goes for the idiots who post damaging threads that make US and our SPORT look bad..shape up Hello Ian People posting this Crap is opening up the Forum to critisism from all sorts of establishments, its a cracking forum which we should all be proud of! thankfully its only a minority, a vast Majority of the people on here have their heads screwed on and are good people with a bit of Common sense. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ditch_Shitter Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Bull crosses: How many really work them to the quarry there intended for? Ok. Got me. Now, I hope this doesn't cause anything 'awkward', but would it be politic to ask; What quarry are BullX's intended for? Just to fill that out a bit ... I think 'Everyone' knows what a certain element of todays youth seems to think is the idea behind such dogs ( ). But do the Real Deal's actually consider them The Cross for anything in particular? In my day a bit of Staffie blood - a drop or two, miles back - might have been used to add a bit of steel and fire to a smaller cross, for tackling fox or heavy cover. But, echoing Nightwalkers words, really, we knew ex track Greyhounds who would liturally leap on a deers back! No need for hulking great, close bred Bull things for that sort of caper. I know Plummer fed out the impression that such a cross would be Evil Incarnate and favoured for pulling over sheep by the van load But, well ..... I'd suspect we might have got wind of it by now, if half the nations 'Chavs' were out there, stripping the pastures of their woolly denizens! Just can't personally see where such dogs might fit in as such 'Specialists'. Plenty of good All Rounders manage much of what a Beast could do. Surely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted July 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 If I wanted a good fox dog that done the job quickly and quietly, with the least chance of getting a jibber I would go for a bull x, I'm not saying others don't do the job because I know they do, but you have a lot greater chance with this breeding in my own eyes... I've seen loads of people say there dogs take fox, and they dance round them bowling them when they turn to run....fair enough if thats what you want...anyway I prefer a dog that does everything don't we all, I'm still looking If people are happy with there dogs, thats the MAIN thing, definitely....I'm just under the opinion that a lot of people shows, countrymans weekly, general lads buy bull crosses because of their looks and reputation when another cross would possibly be more suitable for them for what they hunt.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ditch_Shitter Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 If I wanted a good fox dog ... bull x With you, mate. Actually, all this has had my mind going waaaaaaaay back ..... I can remember it now, clear as day: Standing there, on a bit of higher ground, beside an old and dearly missed, long gone friend. He had this 'Black Whippet' between his knees and I asked him, why the whippet, as another mate was down the way, busy trying to push out a fox. That's when he explained to me that this little dog had - I'm sure it was - 1/18th part Staffie Bull in it! If we'd have heard of Homeopathy in those days, I'd have thought that's what he'd been trying! But, he assured me, that little dog would Take any fox and was quite happy to crash into the densest cover, after a rabbit, should the situation merit it. Of course, I was just a green teen then. Decades around the Bull 'n Terriers since have revealed the truth of what I saw, but didn't see that evening: The fixed, almost crazed focus of that dogs eyes. The twitchy, uncontrollable flinching. The dog was f***ing mad! Let that thing go on a fox and there's be No doubting the inevitable outcome! Sadly, the fox we were after got into a pipe and nothing we could do that night would shift him. But that's another story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OEH 0 Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 The issue of feedback on conformation does matter. I grew up in the cotswolds running fast dogs on fields full of stones and learned early about the importance of good feet. I regularly see 'nice dog' comments attached to pictures of dogs posted here which have bad feet, to dogs with shallow chests, to dogs with short backs, to narrow dogs with 'both legs coming out of the same hole' etc etc. These are real faults which affect working ability, dogs health and longevity. Many of these dogs will have serious faults like restricted heart and lung capacity. If we dont give honest feedback but only post 'nice dog' comments how are newbies going to learn? Thirty years experience with longdogs of all types has taught me that conformation really does make a difference and that we should strive to achieve dogs with good conformation because in doing this we are likley to maximise their working ability, injury resistance and longevity. As a 'newbie' myself I would really value some genuinely constructive criticism of my dogs. It is very hard to come by and I think essential to be able to learn for the future. Of course my dogs are perfect in my eyes, but in practice I am sure that they aren't and I'd love the know their good and bad points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allrounder 47 Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [ As a 'newbie' myself I would really value some genuinely constructive criticism of my dogs. It is very hard to come by and I think essential to be able to learn for the future. Of course my dogs are perfect in my eyes, but in practice I am sure that they aren't and I'd love the know their good and bad points. strong looking dods mate sorry nightwalker had to be said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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