RicW 67 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Good shooting & nice rifle but i wouldent like to carry that rifle as the pipe (barrel) is like a scafold pole. I know you need them kinda barrels with target/range work. Thanks for the reply v-max!!! The rifle is not as heavy as it looks!! , like i have mentioned , its a barrel should over a medium weight tube and this is made of alloy!!! I hunt with these weight rifles too because of the dependable accuracy!! This is just a personal view but ever since i was a young hunter , hunting with quite heavy German made rifles , i have found when shouldering a rifle with a heavier weight i seem to be more steadier - feels more planted!! All the best............... RAY....................................... Unfortunately, they are both Factory loads only pal, the cases can only be used once as the primer cannot be removed and replace Yep. I was really talking about replacing the hmr with a Mod7 or similar, but it didn't take me long to realise I'd be out of my depth. Don't know enough about it to justify spending heaps on a new rifle The only time I've used Parker-Hale kit was back in the '60s when I had PH peep sights on my sniperised Enfield. Couldn't shoot like you though. Apologies for the cock-up No need to apologize buddy , we are all here to learn from each other!!! ;) All the best........................ RAY................................................ Quote Link to post
salukiwhippet 6 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Varminter - Thats some fine shooting! The british rifles like the PH and the BSA's are very underrrated indeed. I shoot a BSA monarch in .243, I paid about the same as you paid for your PH and it shoots really nicely. Claimed no end of deer and foxes for me! Quixote - Look into getting a .22 hornet if you fancy upgrading the HMR. They shoot a 40 grain bullet at similar velocity to the HMR, I reload for mine and it costs me the same as HMR factory stuff. Plus the calibre's out of fashion at the mo, so rifles are cheap! Mine was £118 and will do 1/2" groups at 100 yards with my homeloads. They're much more capable in the wind too. James Quote Link to post
Quixote 9 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Quixote - Look into getting a .22 hornet if you fancy upgrading the HMR. They shoot a 40 grain bullet at similar velocity to the HMR, I reload for mine and it costs me the same as HMR factory stuff. James Thanks for that mate! What's the hornet's trajectory like compared to the hmr? Quote Link to post
salukiwhippet 6 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Flatter! My homeloads with the 40 grainers are about 2800fps if I recall correctly. Plus the 40's retain energy better than HMR ammo. I zero at 125, I'm an inch low at 160 and about 4" at 200. Very quiet too, and low recoil. Mine isn't moderated, but I can still watch the bullet strike. 3 of my mates have used my hornet, 2 of them have bought one and the other is in the process of a variation! James Quote Link to post
Quixote 9 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Flatter! I reckon there's a conversation with my FAO comng up shortly then! The reason I got the hmr in the first place was so that I wouldn't have to consider drop so much at longer ranges! Plus, the extra space in the cabinet means I could fit in an extra trap gun. (Don't let the missus know though ) Thanks for that mate! Quote Link to post
varminter 10 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) Varminter - Thats some fine shooting! The british rifles like the PH and the BSA's are very underrrated indeed. I shoot a BSA monarch in .243, I paid about the same as you paid for your PH and it shoots really nicely. Claimed no end of deer and foxes for me! Quixote - Look into getting a .22 hornet if you fancy upgrading the HMR. They shoot a 40 grain bullet at similar velocity to the HMR, I reload for mine and it costs me the same as HMR factory stuff. Plus the calibre's out of fashion at the mo, so rifles are cheap! Mine was £118 and will do 1/2" groups at 100 yards with my homeloads. They're much more capable in the wind too. James Thanks for that James!!! Nice photo too!!! , i did see a BSA Monarch for sale a while ago chambered in 6.5-284 which i was tempted with!! I have often heard that people say that the Parker Hales don't shoot!! , they must of not of been talking about the target models because i know of another 4 ( TX1200S / M83 / M4 ) and they all shoot just as well...... :D All the best........................ RAY.............................................. Edited April 23, 2009 by varminter Quote Link to post
elvolcan 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 for the long range rabbit control were you using .308? can this be a reason on an fac to get a .308 ? hmm thanks Quote Link to post
Winchester 6 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 The HMR 17 IS A NECKED DOWN .22 HORNET MAGNUM AS FOR THE 308 question was that a wind up lol Quote Link to post
varminter 10 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) for the long range rabbit control were you using .308? can this be a reason on an fac to get a .308 ? hmm thanks Hi Buddy , As for can it be a reason to get one for that reason alone - is a big fat no i am afraid!!! All my centrefires are cleared for Deer / Fox / Vermin- ground game , so i am covered to take that game legaly!! Hope this helps with your question............ All the best................... Ray......................................... Edited April 23, 2009 by varminter Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 The HMR 17 IS A NECKED DOWN .22 HORNET MAGNUM AS FOR THE 308 question was that a wind up lol No, it's really not. The HMR is a necked down .22WMR. The Hornet is an entirely different beast. It flies flatter and hits harder than HMR, is less wind affected and is easily granted for foxes and for rabbits. BUT, and it's a big BUT, you MUST reload for it. Factory ammo is rare, expensive and inaccurate. Homeloads are easily made, accurate and cheap - completely transforms the calibre. I know, I had it when I didn't reload, and now I do, I have Hornet again and wouldn't part with it. You can get it to nudge over 3000 fps with a 35gr Vmax, which is a great combo as it works really well to about 200 yards and tails off. The polymer tip still fragments well so it's quite a safe round too, as well as being quiet and suitably devastating on rabbits/foxes. Highly recommended. Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 The HMR 17 IS A NECKED DOWN .22 HORNET MAGNUM AS FOR THE 308 question was that a wind up lol No, it's really not. The HMR is a necked down .22WMR. The Hornet is an entirely different beast. It flies flatter and hits harder than HMR, is less wind affected and is easily granted for foxes and for rabbits. BUT, and it's a big BUT, you MUST reload for it. Factory ammo is rare, expensive and inaccurate. Homeloads are easily made, accurate and cheap - completely transforms the calibre. I know, I had it when I didn't reload, and now I do, I have Hornet again and wouldn't part with it. You can get it to nudge over 3000 fps with a 35gr Vmax, which is a great combo as it works really well to about 200 yards and tails off. The polymer tip still fragments well so it's quite a safe round too, as well as being quiet and suitably devastating on rabbits/foxes. Highly recommended. Have you converted Deker to Hornet(ing) yet? Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Hey Varminter.... How heavy is your rifle??? mmust weigh a ton!- getting on for around 9-10 lbs with scope and bi-pod? Cheers.... (nice shooting by the way..... )..... (so long as you don't wound any ) (long shots on game are a pet hate of mine...... esp. on big game...) Quote Link to post
elvolcan 0 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 for the long range rabbit control were you using .308? can this be a reason on an fac to get a .308 ? hmm thanks Hi Buddy , As for can it be a reason to get one for that reason alone - is a big fat no i am afraid!!! All my centrefires are cleared for Deer / Fox / Vermin- ground game , so i am covered to take that game legaly!! Hope this helps with your question............ All the best................... Ray......................................... Yeah thanks I just wanted to know what reason i can write when i get my variation for .308 Deer Control , Fox Control and Vermin Control is acceptable then? thanks Quote Link to post
varminter 10 Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Hey Varminter.... How heavy is your rifle??? mmust weigh a ton!- getting on for around 9-10 lbs with scope and bi-pod? Cheers.... (nice shooting by the way..... )..... (so long as you don't wound any ) (long shots on game are a pet hate of mine...... esp. on big game...) Thanks for reply buddy!! , You are pretty near with the weight , as for long shots - i totally respect where you are coming from!! Thanks and all the best............. RAY..................................... for the long range rabbit control were you using .308? can this be a reason on an fac to get a .308 ? hmm thanks Hi Buddy , As for can it be a reason to get one for that reason alone - is a big fat no i am afraid!!! All my centrefires are cleared for Deer / Fox / Vermin- ground game , so i am covered to take that game legaly!! Hope this helps with your question............ All the best................... Ray......................................... Yeah thanks I just wanted to know what reason i can write when i get my variation for .308 Deer Control , Fox Control and Vermin Control is acceptable then? thanks You are welcome!!! All the best............ RAY......................................... Quote Link to post
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