judging bullxs

[zigzag dan 784]

over the past few years and at the shows i visited this weekend its obvious that anything resembling a bull terrier never gets looked at in the bullx classes ! when judging the rabbitting class surely you look for a dog capable of catching rabbitts - as we all know - pre ban - the bullx was used for - lets say - more demanding quarry - therefore shouldnt we look for a dog with immense jaw power and body strength as well as being agile - most judges seem to put up the dog which least looks bully - bullxs dont stand well in the ring or walk well - most eithor pull the owner round the ring or slouch round it - if a judge feels biased against bullxs or not qualified to judge them wouldnt he do better to say so ? wether people like them or not they are popular and here to stay !

[labsnlurchers 39]

over the past few years and at the shows i visited this weekend its obvious that anything resembling a bull terrier never gets looked at in the bullx classes ! when judging the rabbitting class surely you look for a dog capable of catching rabbitts - as we all know - pre ban - the bullx was used for - lets say - more demanding quarry - therefore shouldnt we look for a dog with immense jaw power and body strength as well as being agile - most judges seem to put up the dog which least looks bully - bullxs dont stand well in the ring or walk well - most eithor pull the owner round the ring or slouch round it - if a judge feels biased against bullxs or not qualified to judge them wouldnt he do better to say so ? wether people like them or not they are popular and here to stay !

 

you weren't at caerphilly show were you by any chance?

[zigzag dan 784]

over the past few years and at the shows i visited this weekend its obvious that anything resembling a bull terrier never gets looked at in the bullx classes ! when judging the rabbitting class surely you look for a dog capable of catching rabbitts - as we all know - pre ban - the bullx was used for - lets say - more demanding quarry - therefore shouldnt we look for a dog with immense jaw power and body strength as well as being agile - most judges seem to put up the dog which least looks bully - bullxs dont stand well in the ring or walk well - most eithor pull the owner round the ring or slouch round it - if a judge feels biased against bullxs or not qualified to judge them wouldnt he do better to say so ? wether people like them or not they are popular and here to stay !

 

you weren't at caerphilly show were you by any chance?

yes i was- and yes the bull i have is a strong type but i myself even won ragley hall once with a bullx that was more like a collie x whipp/ grey - but i could see what the judge wanted and it paid off !

[Bosun11 537]

Let's face it Lurchers come in all shapes and sizes and different owners prefer different types, it's the same for the judges.

 

It would be better if a judge picked the most true to type and the most capable in every class but alas, it never works out like that, something will/does take the judges eye, usually his type, it's only natural.

 

From what i've seen over the past few years judges are getting better, especially with Bull classes, though i'll bet back when bullx's were a rarety, owners of most genuine first cross types, especially collie's, had the same axe to grind.

 

I've been a victim a few times (though once my mutt did get it's revenge ) BUT when all said and done it's a show and only a show, bear's very little on how your dog works and none on how it worked for you during the winter that went before and thats what matters most.

 

Shows are 'just for fun' and a catch up with like minded folk .

[bull cross 0]

caerphilly judge was crap he picked three lurchers not bull crosses he should never of judged the bull cross class.

[Guest dances]

Let's face it Lurchers come in all shapes and sizes and different owners prefer different types, it's the same for the judges.

 

It would be better if a judge picked the most true to type and the most capable in every class but alas, it never works out like that, something will/does take the judges eye, usually his type, it's only natural.

 

From what i've seen over the past few years judges are getting better, especially with Bull classes, though i'll bet back when bullx's were a rarety, owners of most genuine first cross types, especially collie's, had the same axe to grind.

 

I've been a victim a few times (though once my mutt did get it's revenge ) BUT when all said and done it's a show and only a show, bear's very little on how your dog works and none on how it worked for you during the winter that went before and thats what matters most.

 

Shows are 'just for fun' and a catch up with like minded folk .

 

nail on the head bosun

[Bootsha 1,306]

caerphilly judge was crap he picked three lurchers not bull crosses he should never of judged the bull cross class.

 

 

If these weren't bull crosses, what were they doing in the Bull cross class then? It's a sticky wicket this one, a bull cross that is quite obviously a bull cross, might not be allowed into say a smooth dog over 23 inches, but a smooth dog over 23 inches may be allowed into the bull cross class because two generations ago it was out of a bull cross. Theres so many bull crosses out there these days of various fractions, first cross, 5/8 3/8, 3/4 1/4, that some might not look like your archetypal head of a bull and body of a greyhound thats been on steroids, but are nevertheless a bull cross.

Having said that, I have judged a few shows over the years and I relish the ones that have a bull cross class as I know what lights MY lemon, and although my own bull cross doesn't look like your brick head variety, I must confess that I do tend to prefer the ones (for show purposes only) that leave no doubt in the mind what the parentage is, again, this has no baring on the working abillity of the dog / bitch. As has been already said, shows are a chance for one mans preference to be shown, the judge, and to catch up with some old mates for a chat.

 

ATB

 

WAB

[zigzag dan 784]

caerphilly judge was crap he picked three lurchers not bull crosses he should never of judged the bull cross class.

 

 

If these weren't bull crosses, what were they doing in the Bull cross class then? It's a sticky wicket this one, a bull cross that is quite obviously a bull cross, might not be allowed into say a smooth dog over 23 inches, but a smooth dog over 23 inches may be allowed into the bull cross class because two generations ago it was out of a bull cross. Theres so many bull crosses out there these days of various fractions, first cross, 5/8 3/8, 3/4 1/4, that some might not look like your archetypal head of a bull and body of a greyhound thats been on steroids, but are nevertheless a bull cross.

Having said that, I have judged a few shows over the years and I relish the ones that have a bull cross class as I know what lights MY lemon, and although my own bull cross doesn't look like your brick head variety, I must confess that I do tend to prefer the ones (for show purposes only) that leave no doubt in the mind what the parentage is, again, this has no baring on the working abillity of the dog / bitch. As has been already said, shows are a chance for one mans preference to be shown, the judge, and to catch up with some old mates for a chat.

 

ATB

 

WAB

wab - superbly put !

[thomps125 49]

this isnt a argument but ime saying most of the bull croses at the shows are shit..they havey saggy backs ect with the dip in there ever all head or all muscle it takes a lot to get a well put togever bull x

 

sont get me rong there is sum realy good ones out there but also as we all no there is alot that arent up to the judges standards

 

dont forget a judge is looking at how many scars a bull x has its all abowt structure and that

 

ime aiming more at the half x

 

i dont want negativ replies abowt me slagin you off ime just tryin to put the point in

[Guest GoneToGround1]

theres alot of anti bull people about, the judge last year was a better 1 than this year, well i dont even know if it was the same judge but if it was last year he judged it alot better then this year!!!

[Guest ferret feller]

thomps ill teach you too spell if you want?

[thomps125 49]

thomps ill teach you too spell if you want?

 

 

yeh i could do with it

 

...sorry lads i do try but i am so used to writeing in slang over text and other sites ect

[labsnlurchers 39]

over the past few years and at the shows i visited this weekend its obvious that anything resembling a bull terrier never gets looked at in the bullx classes ! when judging the rabbitting class surely you look for a dog capable of catching rabbitts - as we all know - pre ban - the bullx was used for - lets say - more demanding quarry - therefore shouldnt we look for a dog with immense jaw power and body strength as well as being agile - most judges seem to put up the dog which least looks bully - bullxs dont stand well in the ring or walk well - most eithor pull the owner round the ring or slouch round it - if a judge feels biased against bullxs or not qualified to judge them wouldnt he do better to say so ? wether people like them or not they are popular and here to stay !

 

you weren't at caerphilly show were you by any chance?

yes i was- and yes the bull i have is a strong type but i myself even won ragley hall once with a bullx that was more like a collie x whipp/ grey - but i could see what the judge wanted and it paid off !

 

thats it, its all about what the judge likes on the day, one blokes opinion. Some judges like the lower percentage bull others like the first cross and others in between but they are all bull x and its just down to the opinion of the judge. Like has been said before shows are just a bit of fun for most and a bit of freindly competiotion between mates. It's nice when you get placed but at the end of the day you still go home with the best dog win or no win. I think the judges at caerphilly had different opinions to the rest of the people there but thats the way the cookie crumbles.

The best bull x judge ive ever seen was 2 years ago at the heart of wales 2 day show, he actually explained what he was looking for, explained his decision. It helped that he owned bred and worked bull cross so he knew what qualities you need in a decent WORKING bull x.