20 years on

[fellman 116]

blame lies in lots of places .................................

noone deserves that ending to their lives but the blame lies with the police, stewerds , FA and ( some aint gonna like this) LIVERPOOL fans turning up with no tickets and causing crush outside doors .............. blame everywhere but for me LFC fans have more than their fair share of the blame ........ yis fellman

[Guest WILF]

Been in a "crush" once or twice myself as I am sure you have Felly my friend.......once it starts, and it dont have to be anything out of the ordinary, theres just no stopping it.......nothing for it but to climb the nearest "thing" you can and try and get above it.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

blame lies in lots of places .................................

noone deserves that ending to their lives but the blame lies with the police, stewerds , FA and ( some aint gonna like this) LIVERPOOL fans turning up with no tickets and causing crush outside doors .............. blame everywhere but for me LFC fans have more than their fair share of the blame ........ yis fellmannonestewardsain't

when you make a statement i hope you can back it up with more than rumors and hear say,

to blame Liverpool fans for the events that happened that day , shows not only you ignorance of that tragedy but also the misconception portrayed in the media of which it seems you were a victim, when you take up the position of chief constable of a police force you take up the post to protect and serve the community , on that day they failed no matter who turned up with or without tickets the chief constable appointed the officer in charge that day to act as his Representative to carry out supervision of crowd control for which he is intensively trained and handsomely rewarded , as was graham Kelly of the FA , the punishment for failure was in the case of the police officer retirement on full pension , graham Kelly a massive pay off and a full pension, the 95 that day paid with there lives , there family's are still paying the price , for the decisions made by the professionals that day people who you and i trust every day to make decisions that may save you life or just get home safe , 96 people young ans old went to watch a football match and never came home , blame who ever but get to know the facts the coronas reports to 96 deaths all the cover ups and independent witnesses who were there then come back and lay blame or shut up and grow up oh and the 95 is not a mistake as one lad lay in a vegetative state for two years till his family had to make the decision to switch off the ventilator thus making it 96

Edited April 13, 2009 by gonetoearth

[fellman 116]

blame lies in lots of places .................................

noone deserves that ending to their lives but the blame lies with the police, stewerds , FA and ( some aint gonna like this) LIVERPOOL fans turning up with no tickets and causing crush outside doors .............. blame everywhere but for me LFC fans have more than their fair share of the blame ........ yis fellmannonestewardsain't

when you make a statement i hope you can back it up with more than rumors and hear say,

to blame Liverpool fans for the events that happened that day , shows not only you ignorance of that tragedy but also the misconception portrayed in the media of which it seems you were a victim, when you take up the position of chief constable of a police force you take up the post to protect and serve the community , on that day they failed no matter who turned up with or without tickets the chief constable appointed the officer in charge that day to act as his Representative to carry out supervision of crowd control for which he is intensively trained and handsomely rewarded , as was graham Kelly of the FA , the punishment for failure was in the case of the police officer retirement on full pension , graham Kelly a massive pay off and a full pension, the 95 that day paid with there lives , there family's are still paying the price , for the decisions made by the professionals that day people who you and i trust every day to make decisions that may save you life or just get home safe , 96 people young ans old went to watch a football match and never came home , blame who ever but get to know the facts the coronas reports to 96 deaths all the cover ups and independent witnesses who were there then come back and lay blame or shut up and grow up oh and the 95 is not a mistake as one lad lay in a vegetative state for two years till his family had to make the decision to switch off the ventilator thus making it 96

and you my freind didnt read my post correctly.i said there was lots of places to lay the blame but the liverpool fans who were there have to have some too.......................or are you telling me everyone there had a ticket???????? if thats what your sayign then it will be the first and only time noone traveld to a match without a ticket!!!!!!!!!!!! i know i have done the same and as it happens i know two people who were in the crush outside the doors. with no ticket ................and i also said it was a sad doay and noone deserves that................................... just you cant cause a problem .........ie a crush (the xdecision there after to open the gate was because fo the crush)and then moan when someone makes the wrong decision .................. yis fellman

Edited April 14, 2009 by fellman

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

moan when someone makes the wrong decision .................. yis fellman

 

The grief felt by 96 families would I'd say amount to more than a moan.

 

Am not sure this is the best place to discuss the events of that day, it will go so very easily and badly wrong when people start misunderstanding other lads and start banging out hastily written replies, the internet is a fantastic resource for lots of things, but am not sure about it being used to analyse the cause of 96 deaths.

 

I'd hope any replies on this thread are carefully read and re read before being posted ...............

[fellman 116]

i think your right Aaron ill leave it there ................. yis fellman

[NID 0]

I was working in Jersey Channel Islands,after work went to the pub "The Old England",the owner was a scouser and it was mainly Jock's and Scouser's that drank there.Alway's remember walking in and the place was in uproar as everyone was trying to phone home to hear if any of their loved ones were involved.

Tragic day and one which alway's stay's in my mind,RIP.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

blame lies in lots of places .................................

noone deserves that ending to their lives but the blame lies with the police, stewerds , FA and ( some aint gonna like this) LIVERPOOL fans turning up with no tickets and causing crush outside doors .............. blame everywhere but for me LFC fans have more than their fair share of the blame ........ yis fellmannonestewardsain't

when you make a statement i hope you can back it up with more than rumors and hear say,

to blame Liverpool fans for the events that happened that day , shows not only you ignorance of that tragedy but also the misconception portrayed in the media of which it seems you were a victim, when you take up the position of chief constable of a police force you take up the post to protect and serve the community , on that day they failed no matter who turned up with or without tickets the chief constable appointed the officer in charge that day to act as his Representative to carry out supervision of crowd control for which he is intensively trained and handsomely rewarded , as was graham Kelly of the FA , the punishment for failure was in the case of the police officer retirement on full pension , graham Kelly a massive pay off and a full pension, the 95 that day paid with there lives , there family's are still paying the price , for the decisions made by the professionals that day people who you and i trust every day to make decisions that may save you life or just get home safe , 96 people young ans old went to watch a football match and never came home , blame who ever but get to know the facts the coronas reports to 96 deaths all the cover ups and independent witnesses who were there then come back and lay blame or shut up and grow up oh and the 95 is not a mistake as one lad lay in a vegetative state for two years till his family had to make the decision to switch off the ventilator thus making it 96

and you my freind didnt read my post correctly.i said there was lots of places to lay the blame but the liverpool fans who were there have to have some too.......................or are you telling me everyone there had a ticket???????? if thats what your sayign then it will be the first and only time noone traveld to a match without a ticket!!!!!!!!!!!! i know i have done the same and as it happens i know two people who were in the crush outside the doors. with no ticket ................and i also said it was a sad doay and noone deserves that................................... just you cant cause a problem .........ie a crush (the xdecision there after to open the gate was because fo the crush)and then moan when someone makes the wrong decision .................. yis fellman

lord justice taylor, report google it , or maybe go to any pop concert , wimbledon twickernam or any other major event and see how many people turn up without tickets , or just maybe you read the sun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited April 15, 2009 by gonetoearth

[gonetoearth 5,144]

moan when someone makes the wrong decision .................. yis fellman

 

The grief felt by 96 families would I'd say amount to more than a moan.

 

Am not sure this is the best place to discuss the events of that day, it will go so very easily and badly wrong when people start misunderstanding other lads and start banging out hastily written replies, the internet is a fantastic resource for lots of things, but am not sure about it being used to analyse the cause of 96 deaths.

 

I'd hope any replies on this thread are carefully read and re read before being posted ...............

ss your wrong its the perfect place to answer , we have spent 20 years defending mates and still

there are people with the view that the lfc fans caused or played a part in it, the only part they played was to turn up

to watch a semi final and relyed on the authoritys to conduct the event and afford them safe passage ,

[NID 0]

G.T.E. Did you watch the news at ten interview last night with Tony Edwards the only professional paramedic allowed on the park,the guy had to make choice's of who to try and save.While the police kept all the other ambulance's outside the stadium ,the guy said he would like to see some other people put their hands up and say they got it wrong on the day,atb NID.

PS. Anybody who would like to see interview on itv i player.

http://www.itv.com/News/?intcmp=NAV_1006

Edited April 15, 2009 by NID

[gonetoearth 5,144]

G.T.E. Did you watch the news at ten interview last night with Tony Edwards the only professional paramedic allowed on the park,the guy had to make choice's of who to try and save.While the police kept all the other ambulance's outside the stadium ,the guy said he would like to see some other people put their hands up and say they got it wrong on the day,atb NID.

PS. Anybody who would like to see interview on itv i player.

http://www.itv.com/News/?intcmp=NAV_1006

I DID ,I KNOW THE TRUTH AS I HEARD IT TOLD ON MANY OCCASIONS BY PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE , IT JUST MAKES YOU,SAD TO THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO STILL BELEAVE THE STORIES AND RUMOURS THAT WERE RELEASED , AND THE COVER UP THAT THE POLICE ORCHISTRETED

[lost scouse 46]

i knew people that died there i know people that lived to talk about the day (you'll never walk alone)WITH RESPECT DEGSY

[Wolly 4]

R.I.P

 

 

YOu Have My Respect

[gnasher16 30,533]

Wouldnt like to get involved in the rights and wrongs of it all as its not my manor or my club but remember the day like it was yesterday....such a terribly sad day and only 3 or 4 years after both the heysel and bradford city tragedies if i remember right.....certainly a period that made you put the sport in perspective....hopefully those who lost somebody have managed to piece their lives back together a bit over the years.

[claybusers al 9]

a good friend lost his brother that day i come from ainsdale most people in merseyside know of someone who died its very easy to pass blame but it wont bring them back so for once all the IDIOTS on here that have nothing good to say shut the feck up and let everyone else pay there respects