mikey 2 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 now that there are plenty of game fairs on ,with terrier/lurcher shows does anyone know what would happen if you were showing a docked dog with no chip/certificate etc if the rspca were present and checking certificates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JPTfellterrier 65 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) i went to a local show and they wouldnt allow any dogs under a certian age to be entered in the show because of the hole tail docking thing...was last year like Edited April 8, 2009 by JPTfellterrier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 they say you cant show any pup with a docked tail where thrs a paying public .. if you cant produce paper work for docking on the day the rspca have 1. the right to take your dog from you .2 .ask you to produce the ness paper within 7 days . if you have no paper work they can prosecute you under cruelty to animals act .. i think show and gamefair organsers could face prosecution aswell .. correct me if i`m wrong anyone but i think thats how it stands .its still a grey area and has far as i`m aware thrs been no test cases yet !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GameBirdMeg 21 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I know you can't show docked puppy terriers at a show where the public pay an admission...but hunts and some shows now just ask for a ''donation'' instead of entry fees to get round it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey 2 Posted April 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 they say you cant show any pup with a docked tail where thrs a paying public .. if you cant produce paper work for docking on the day the rspca have 1. the right to take your dog from you .2 .ask you to produce the ness paper within 7 days . if you have no paper work they can prosecute you under cruelty to animals act .. i think show and gamefair organsers could face prosecution aswell .. correct me if i`m wrong anyone but i think thats how it stands .its still a grey area and has far as i`m aware thrs been no test cases yet !! thanks stig for the reply other replys seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick about showing at shows ! do you think the rspca have to prove its been docked by youreself /do they have the wright to take it of you say if you bought it from pikeys perhaps ??!! i suppose its best not to show if you dont have a certificate?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GameBirdMeg 21 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 they say you cant show any pup with a docked tail where thrs a paying public .. if you cant produce paper work for docking on the day the rspca have 1. the right to take your dog from you .2 .ask you to produce the ness paper within 7 days . if you have no paper work they can prosecute you under cruelty to animals act .. i think show and gamefair organsers could face prosecution aswell .. correct me if i`m wrong anyone but i think thats how it stands .its still a grey area and has far as i`m aware thrs been no test cases yet !! thanks stig for the reply other replys seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick about showing at shows ! do you think the rspca have to prove its been docked by youreself /do they have the wright to take it of you say if you bought it from pikeys perhaps ??!! i suppose its best not to show if you dont have a certificate?? Sorry we wnt a bit 'wayward' but i know what u was asking.. Someone told me that you could could just say it was brought over from ireland... So surely they can't do anything about that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 they say you cant show any pup with a docked tail where thrs a paying public .. if you cant produce paper work for docking on the day the rspca have 1. the right to take your dog from you .2 .ask you to produce the ness paper within 7 days . if you have no paper work they can prosecute you under cruelty to animals act .. i think show and gamefair organsers could face prosecution aswell .. correct me if i`m wrong anyone but i think thats how it stands .its still a grey area and has far as i`m aware thrs been no test cases yet !! thanks stig for the reply other replys seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick about showing at shows ! do you think the rspca have to prove its been docked by youreself /do they have the wright to take it of you say if you bought it from pikeys perhaps ??!! i suppose its best not to show if you dont have a certificate?? Sorry we wnt a bit 'wayward' but i know what u was asking.. Someone told me that you could could just say it was brought over from ireland... So surely they can't do anything about that... not heard of anyone being done from a show cant see they`d take the dog off you at a show either but thats within thr rights - dont matter whr you say the dog was from you`ll find you have to produce a cert or the name of the breeder -- like i say grey area i think the only prosecutions have come from breeders who have advertised them as docked .they`d hardly take a family pet thats well cared for and looked after because its tails been docked thr after breeders who dont get them done at the vets .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) THE RSPCA CANNOT TAKE YOUR DOG OF YOU AT ANY SHOW there a bloody charity NOT THE LAW if the aspca wanker get s a copper there, all they can do is ask for your name and address the onus is on them to prove the dog is unlawfully docked you don t and shouldnt say anything to them make them do the work if you don t give them the ammo they will find it very hard to shoot you REMEMBER THE RSPCA ARE NOT THE LAW SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRIVATE PROSACUTION AND THIS COSTS BIG MONEY your local copper anit going to bother with it its very doudtful if the dog is healthy this would go anywhere TELL THEM NOTHING THERE ONLY A CHARITY JUST LIKE BANARDOS OR SAVE THE CHILDREN AND YOU DONT GET SHIT OF THOSE DO YOU? Edited April 8, 2009 by TOPPER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deer stalker 2008 3 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 i agree, well said topper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 they say you cant show any pup with a docked tail where thrs a paying public .. if you cant produce paper work for docking on the day the rspca have 1. the right to take your dog from you .2 .ask you to produce the ness paper within 7 days . if you have no paper work they can prosecute you under cruelty to animals act .. i think show and gamefair organsers could face prosecution aswell .. correct me if i`m wrong anyone but i think thats how it stands .its still a grey area and has far as i`m aware thrs been no test cases yet !!THE RSPCA HAVE NO RIGHT TO ENTER ANY SHOW , THEY HAVE NO POWER OF ARREST , AND CERTAINLY HAVE NO POWERS TO SEIZE ANY ANIMAL WITH OUT A COURT WARRANT AND POLICE ACCOMPANYING THEM ,REFUSE THEM ENTRY , WHAT WILL THEY DO IT TAKES A COUPLE OF DAYS TO GET A WARRANT , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takman511 42 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 they say you cant show any pup with a docked tail where thrs a paying public .. if you cant produce paper work for docking on the day the rspca have 1. the right to take your dog from you .2 .ask you to produce the ness paper within 7 days . if you have no paper work they can prosecute you under cruelty to animals act .. i think show and gamefair organsers could face prosecution aswell .. correct me if i`m wrong anyone but i think thats how it stands .its still a grey area and has far as i`m aware thrs been no test cases yet !! thanks stig for the reply other replys seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick about showing at shows ! do you think the rspca have to prove its been docked by youreself /do they have the wright to take it of you say if you bought it from pikeys perhaps ??!! i suppose its best not to show if you dont have a certificate?? if you havent the papers then its been docked ilegally, weve just had a litter of russells docked at vets and he has to micro chip them before you get the papers it cost us well over £200 for 7 pups but the pups are safe no 1 can take them. we had to show him witten permission before he would dock them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 docking certs or not if joe public pays entry its still illigal to show them ---- another stupid law Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GameBirdMeg 21 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 docking certs or not if joe public pays entry its still illigal to show them ---- another stupid law Here Here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GameBirdMeg 21 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 THE RSPCA CANNOT TAKE YOUR DOG OF YOU AT ANY SHOW there a bloody charity NOT THE LAW if the aspca wanker get s a copper there, all they can do is ask for your name and address the onus is on them to prove the dog is unlawfully docked you don t and shouldnt say anything to them make them do the work if you don t give them the ammo they will find it very hard to shoot you REMEMBER THE RSPCA ARE NOT THE LAW SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRIVATE PROSACUTION AND THIS COSTS BIG MONEY your local copper anit going to bother with it its very doudtful if the dog is healthy this would go anywhere TELL THEM NOTHING THERE ONLY A CHARITY JUST LIKE BANARDOS OR SAVE THE CHILDREN AND YOU DONT GET SHIT OF THOSE DO YOU? Never thought of it like that... Does anyone know of anyone or who have actually been questioned at a show by RSPCA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey 2 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 THE RSPCA CANNOT TAKE YOUR DOG OF YOU AT ANY SHOW there a bloody charity NOT THE LAW if the aspca wanker get s a copper there, all they can do is ask for your name and address the onus is on them to prove the dog is unlawfully docked you don t and shouldnt say anything to them make them do the work if you don t give them the ammo they will find it very hard to shoot you REMEMBER THE RSPCA ARE NOT THE LAW SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRIVATE PROSACUTION AND THIS COSTS BIG MONEY your local copper anit going to bother with it its very doudtful if the dog is healthy this would go anywhere TELL THEM NOTHING THERE ONLY A CHARITY JUST LIKE BANARDOS OR SAVE THE CHILDREN AND YOU DONT GET SHIT OF THOSE DO YOU? Never thought of it like that... Does anyone know of anyone or who have actually been questioned at a show by RSPCA? this is what started me asking questions,because i was asking the terrier/lurcher show organisers for a gamefair this weekend and they have had rspca checking certificates at one of their shows i think in yorkshire! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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