the_stig 6,614 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 a few year ago they whr at the yorkshire advising on the size of terrier boxes saying that most whr to small - most years thr at the east anglian checking cars that have had dogs left in them .. at one time they whr big on looking at terriers that had signs of work .. its not just terriers they check on i used to show pigeons and fowl they whr regualer visiters to the show tents . they attend most big shows checking on animal welfare in general .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 THEY CAN ONLY GAIN ACCES IF YOU ALLOW THEM IT , TO MAKE ANY ACCUSATIONS THEY NEED EVIDENCE, TERRIER BOXES WHAT IS THE GOVERMENTS STANDED SIZE THEY ARE A CHARITY NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS THEIR AS MUCH USE AS TRAFFIC WARDENS AT A FIRE GIVE THEM THE RESPECT THE DESERVE NONE ANY ONE WHO LEAVES DOGS IN A CAR ON A HOT DAY WANTS FOOOOKING ANY WAY GAME FAIRS INVITE THEM WHY BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD TO THE HSE AND INSURANCE AND THEY COST SWEET FA JUST A DONATION , PHONE THE OLD BILL AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE SEEN A DOG IN A SMALL BOX AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY, TELL THEM YOUR CAR HAS BEEN BROKE INTO YOU WILL GET A CRIME NUMBER , SHOW YOU TERRIERS DONT GIVE IN TO THESE CRANKS, DONATIONS ON THE GATE TERRIER CLUBS ARE PRIVATE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC YOU INVITE WHO YOU WANT , NEED I GO ON LIKE THE HUNTING BAN WE FOUND WAYS ROUND IT AND HAVE WITH THIS STUPID LAW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powderpuff girl 13 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 u can show docked pups in scotland iv been told and if you havent got a certificate get 1 of irish lads to write you a bill of sale to be on safe side its all a money making scam some vets are charging a fortune to do a 2 min job Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 u can show docked pups in scotland iv been told and if you havent got a certificate get 1 of irish lads to write you a bill of sale to be on safe side its all a money making scam some vets are charging a fortune to do a 2 min job THAT Bnt ON YOUR LEAD NEEDS STRIPPING Quote Link to post Share on other sites
polecat 1 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 yes you can show docked pups up i n scotland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powderpuff girl 13 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 u can show docked pups in scotland iv been told and if you havent got a certificate get 1 of irish lads to write you a bill of sale to be on safe side its all a money making scam some vets are charging a fortune to do a 2 min job THAT Bnt ON YOUR LEAD NEEDS STRIPPING i put rollers in me b n t gives a lovely wave u know lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 u can show docked pups in scotland iv been told and if you havent got a certificate get 1 of irish lads to write you a bill of sale to be on safe side its all a money making scam some vets are charging a fortune to do a 2 min job THAT Bnt ON YOUR LEAD NEEDS STRIPPING i put rollers in me b n t gives a lovely wave u know lol THE ONE IN YOUR AVIATOR THINGY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powderpuff girl 13 Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 u can show docked pups in scotland iv been told and if you havent got a certificate get 1 of irish lads to write you a bill of sale to be on safe side its all a money making scam some vets are charging a fortune to do a 2 min job THAT Bnt ON YOUR LEAD NEEDS STRIPPING i put rollers in me b n t gives a lovely wave u know lol THE ONE IN YOUR AVIATOR THINGY yes that 1 othber wise its all flat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) They're are no restrictions of showing docked pups in Scotand below is an extract from the NWTF's website re tail docking, If my club or one of its members was to ask an exhibitor who's showing a docked pup at our show (a question highly unlikely to be asked), is that pup legally docked?? and the exhibitor say's yes thats enough for us, we as a club are not there to enforce this ludicrous law or ask questions in relation to anyones dog or obliged to ask for any paperwork in relation to any dog Tom THE ANIMAL WELFARE ACT 2006 (summarised). Overview: The law relating to the docking of dog's tails changed in Wales on 28th March, England 6th April and Scotland 30th April 2007. An outright ban was imposed in Scotland. Whereas in England and Wales working terriers, along with certain other working gundog breeds, were exempted from the ban on welfare grounds. The law in England and Wales is broadly similar except for the very important fact that in Wales the terrier exemption only applies to the following breeds - Jack Russell, Lakeland, Cairn and Norfolk (not combinations), whereas in England it applies to terriers of any type or combination of types. The law in Scotland not only bans tail docking, but also makes it an offence to transport puppies from Scotland so they may be docked elsewhere. These new laws also impose various restrictions on the exhibiting of dogs which have been docked under the Act and will affect exhibitors, show organisers and breeders in differing ways in England, Wales and Scotland. A certain amount of interpretation of the law which will only be made clear if it is tested in Court, however based upon the available information, we have attempted to clarify the complexities of the new law as far as possible. Broadly speaking these are: The Impact on Working Terrier Shows: Dogs Docked Before the Relevant Dates: These can continue to be shown at all shows in England, Wales and Scotland throughout their entire life and without any restrictions. Dogs Docked on or After the Relevant Dates: Irrespective of where they were docked, these dogs may not be exhibited at shows in England and Wales "where the public is admitted on payment of a fee", except in order to demonstrate their working ability. They may however, be exhibited at shows in Scotland. In Scotland there are no showing restrictions. Whilst there is a total ban on tail docking in Scotland, there are no restrictions on the showing of legally docked dogs. So owners of legally docked dogs may show them at any show in Scotland, regardless of whether the public pay an admission fee. Events were the public are admitted upon payment of a fee: Those who organise or exhibit at shows in England or Wales where the public is admitted upon payment of a fee, should take into account the fact that it will be illegal for ANY dog docked after the relevant dates, to be exhibited at such events. Even if the dog has been docked legally under the Act, or legally docked elsewhere. Show Format and Schedules: At shows in England and Wales, where it is decided to continue to charge the public an admission fee, puppy classes will quickly need to disappear and we would also recommend for everyone’s benefit the inclusion of a statement in the show schedule that “Due to the Animal Welfare Act 2006, any dogs docked on or after <insert relevant date for England or Wales> may not be entered for exhibition at this showâ€. Tail Docking – Working Dog Exemptions: These new laws prohibit the docking of dogs’ tails in England, Wales and Scotland. In England and Wales there are certain limited (but differing) exemptions for specified types of working dogs, these will require appropriate certification and subsequent microchipping for identification purposes. Certification requirements: (1) A veterinary surgeon may certify that he has seen evidence that a dog is likely to be used for a specified type of work and is a dog of a specified type, where:- in England he is satisfied that the dam of the dog is of the following types; Hunt point retrieve breeds of any type or combination of types. Spaniels of any type or combination of types. Terriers of any type or combination of types. or in Wales he is satisfied that the puppy is one of the following breeds; Spaniel - English Springer Spaniel, Welsh Springer Spaniel, Cocker Spaniel, but not any combination of breeds. Terrier - Jack Russell Terrier, Cairn Terrier, Lakeland Terrier, Norfolk Terrier, but not any combination of breeds. HPRs of the following breeds: Braque Italian, Brittany, German Long Haired Pointer, German Short Haired Pointer, German Wire Haired Pointer, Hungarian Vizsla, Hungarian Wire Haired Vizsla, Italian Spinone, Spanish Water Dog, Weimaraner, Korthals Griffon, Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer, Large Munsterlander, Small Munsterlander. he reasonably believes that the dog is not more than 5 days old; and the owner of the dog, or a person he reasonably believes to be representing the owner, has shown him the evidence specified in paragraph (2). (2) The evidence is— the dam of the dog; a completed statement, signed and dated by the owner of the dog or by another person whom the veterinary surgeon to whom it is presented reasonably believes to be representing the owner, made in paragraph 3 of a certificate in the form prescribed in Schedule 2; and one of the following— where the dog is presented for certification on behalf of one of Her Majesty’s armed forces, or a body providing an emergency rescue service, or a police authority, or Her Majesty’s Prison Service, or an organisation contracted to provide custodial services on behalf of the Secretary of State, or Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs, appropriate official identification; evidence that the owner of the dog, or an agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog, will be using the dog for work in connection with lawful pest control; a current shotgun or firearm certificate issued to the owner of the dog, or to the agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog for work in connection with the lawful shooting of animals; a letter from a gamekeeper, a land-occupier (or his agent), a person with shooting rights, a shoot organiser, a club official, a person representing the National Working Terrier Federation, or a person engaged in lawful pest control, stating that the breeder of the dog whose tail is to be docked is known to him and that dogs bred by that breeder have been used (as the case may be) on his land, or in his shoot, or for pest control. (3) Any certification given under paragraph (1) shall be made in paragraph 1 of a certificate in the form prescribed in Schedule 2. All docking and microchipping must be carried out by a veterinary surgeon (but not necessarily the same one), the dogs must also be microchipped by the time they are 3 months old and their registration number entered on their docking certificate. For full details of the Animal Welfare Act 2006 please click here. u can show docked pups in scotland iv been told and if you havent got a certificate get 1 of irish lads to write you a bill of sale to be on safe side its all a money making scam some vets are charging a fortune to do a 2 min job Edited April 15, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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