Sheepdogs stressing sheep

[desertdog 149]

could,nt believe what i was hearing, well ithink its time to give tesco a wide berth, still old robin had it sorted, good man.

[scottishlass 57]

Who is having a giraffe we have 6 working collies and if we did not have them well ........ my hubbys job is a shepherd i could really see him running aboot with a flag aye right what ever , they will be not be happy till no dogs are to work

[desertdog 149]

im giving tesco the flick, i dont by meat fom there anyhow but they are handy for some bits, ive now taken our local milkman, and ill get my bits somewhere else, stuff tesco and peta, keep your dogs working, stuff the bunny huggers.

[Lurcherlovr 0]

I just found this, what are people on about, dogs have been used with sheep for what seems like ever!! Are todays sheep more special then the sheep of the past years or what!!

 

http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/...cruel-to-sheep/

[kiwi 4]

There's currently an issue with this in abatoirs in New Zealand, just replace PETA with Tesco, yep Tesco. I'm not overly familiar with how they rin things down there but from what I gather most abatoirs are adjoining large sheep outfits and dogs are routinely used within it's confines to move sheep from place to place. The Tesco buyers have objected to using dogs in this manner and want the process banned. As anyone here will know, once there's a small ban introduced into some activity it's a very slippery slope that leads nowhere good.

 

As Malt has said dogs work sheep very well due to direct controlled stress. They've been around them all their lives and often get rounded up for many things, dosing, shearing, vaccinating, hoof care, moving fields, into pens and trailers, gathering on hills so on and so forth.

 

If human beings didn't have the stress factor of possibly getting fired and being on the bread line, where's the incentive to work? Controlled amounts of stress can be beneficial. Hard of thought attacks on processes that've been used successfully for hundreds and hundreds of years are what give me and others unhealthy levels of stress.

 

 

Hey John - is that our Tesco from Britain going over there buying lamb to import back here? Surely it would be more in their line to buy British and support the local economy and give the local farmers/processors a decent living? Or maybe that is a different rant/thread altogether, anyway....?

 

On the subject of sheepdogs 'down under', I remember seeing on TV how the dogs - Kelpie types - run along on top of the backs of the sheep as they move through move through the pens. It must be great to have dogs helping to move thousands of sheep around like that, it's hard to imagine how they would manage otherwise.

little fish........just remmber new zealand was actually settled to provide lamb to support britain before britain dumped us in favor of buying european meat as part of the eu.........who are also using any excuse to stop any imports of meat and dairy from aussie and nz, they are behind the sheepdog ban bullshit.

dogs are not used in our meats works, they are complaining about them being used on the farms

[hiho 5]

If your not allowed dogs theyl just get chased down on quadbikes and be even more stressed :wacko:

[JPTfellterrier 65]

just thought wouldnt waving flags or what ever cause just as much stress if not more as it would take alot longer? sheep have to be moved somehow and however you do it it is going to cause some amount of stress to the animal but a dog can do that quickley and effectivley

[Lurcherlovr 0]

If your not allowed dogs theyl just get chased down on quadbikes and be even more stressed :wacko:

 

Mind you that would be so much fun, I love having days out on the quads

 

Does anyone know where they got this idea from.

[Guest JohnGalway]

Hey John - is that our Tesco from Britain going over there buying lamb to import back here? Surely it would be more in their line to buy British and support the local economy and give the local farmers/processors a decent living? Or maybe that is a different rant/thread altogether, anyway....?

 

Australia/New Zealand been shipping lamb to Europe for years. No need for it, plenty of lamb produced in Europe itself

 

And it's better quality :tongue2: :tongue2:

[hiho 5]

If your not allowed dogs theyl just get chased down on quadbikes and be even more stressed :wacko:

 

Mind you that would be so much fun, I love having days out on the quads

 

Does anyone know where they got this idea from.

thats what we do on our farm when the dogs are knackard it takes longer to gather then tho on a quad

[Guest JohnGalway]

Problem with quads is, as I'm sure some Welsh and Scots lads will tell, is in hill areas only suitable for sheep they're useless, the terrain is simply too rough.

[kiwi 4]

Hey John - is that our Tesco from Britain going over there buying lamb to import back here? Surely it would be more in their line to buy British and support the local economy and give the local farmers/processors a decent living? Or maybe that is a different rant/thread altogether, anyway....?

 

Australia/New Zealand been shipping lamb to Europe for years. No need for it, plenty of lamb produced in Europe itself

 

And it's better quality :tongue2: :tongue2:

i guess ya foot and mouth outbreaks and mad cow diease must add alot more flavor to the meat..

the meat from downunder feed you guys for two world wars and while you now support ya mates in europe spare a thought for those countries that still have your flag in the corner of there own

[gonetoearth 5,144]

There's currently an issue with this in abatoirs in New Zealand, just replace PETA with Tesco, yep Tesco. I'm not overly familiar with how they rin things down there but from what I gather most abatoirs are adjoining large sheep outfits and dogs are routinely used within it's confines to move sheep from place to place. The Tesco buyers have objected to using dogs in this manner and want the process banned. As anyone here will know, once there's a small ban introduced into some activity it's a very slippery slope that leads nowhere good.

 

As Malt has said dogs work sheep very well due to direct controlled stress. They've been around them all their lives and often get rounded up for many things, dosing, shearing, vaccinating, hoof care, moving fields, into pens and trailers, gathering on hills so on and so forth.

 

If human beings didn't have the stress factor of possibly getting fired and being on the bread line, where's the incentive to work? Controlled amounts of stress can be beneficial. Hard of thought attacks on processes that've been used successfully for hundreds and hundreds of years are what give me and others unhealthy levels of stress.

 

 

Hey John - is that our Tesco from Britain going over there buying lamb to import back here? Surely it would be more in their line to buy British and support the local economy and give the local farmers/processors a decent living? Or maybe that is a different rant/thread altogether, anyway....?

 

On the subject of sheepdogs 'down under', I remember seeing on TV how the dogs - Kelpie types - run along on top of the backs of the sheep as they move through move through the pens. It must be great to have dogs helping to move thousands of sheep around like that, it's hard to imagine how they would manage otherwise.

little fish........just remmber new zealand was actually settled to provide lamb to support britain before britain dumped us in favor of buying european meat as part of the eu.........who are also using any excuse to stop any imports of meat and dairy from aussie and nz, they are behind the sheepdog ban bullshit.

dogs are not used in our meats works, they are complaining about them being used on the farms

I WOULD BUY KIWI AND AUS OVER EUROPEAN ANY DAY BUT BRITISH FIRST

[Guest JohnGalway]

i guess ya foot and mouth outbreaks and mad cow diease must add alot more flavor to the meat..

the meat from downunder feed you guys for two world wars and while you now support ya mates in europe spare a thought for those countries that still have your flag in the corner of there own

 

It's not my flag There's no reason to be importing food from the far side of the planet when it's readily available in excess at home. It's a different story for things that can't be grown here but lamb, they're everywhere. Also money put into European farming goes back into European economies

[Neal 1,873]

Yesterday, while pottering about in my shed filling a bird feeder, I heard a noise behind me and turned around to find my three kelpies all lined up expecting some food...squashed inbetween them was one of my bantams. I sometimes use the dogs to "encourage" the bantams back into their run but she certainly didn't look very stressed; just hungry.