hancocks dogs i am confused

[digger63 3]

Sorry catcher, I don't understand what you mean?

 

 

Why ? You get a lurcher from people you know have good and proven dog,s.atb .catcher

 

Why, What, When, Which Yes my point exactly, tested parents

 

 

This theory of breeding from proven dogs doesn't add up...everyone appears to agree that there's no guarantee's when buying a pup.....so why does using tested parents matter.....and tested on what? one man's idea of a good working dog is crap for another....it's all relative to what you hunt....

 

"This theory of breeding from proven dogs doesn't add up" That statement is incredible,so much so i wonder if its there as a wind up? i hope young lurcher lads aren't taking any notice of stupidity like that,check out what's happened to breeds that have become popular with the KC puppy farmers,bedlingtons,borders ect,both ruined for the most part because of indiscriminate untested breeding stock.

What a load of b....ks.

[undisputed 1,664]

Sorry catcher, I don't understand what you mean?

 

 

Why ? You get a lurcher from people you know have good and proven dog,s.atb .catcher

 

Why, What, When, Which Yes my point exactly, tested parents

 

 

This theory of breeding from proven dogs doesn't add up...everyone appears to agree that there's no guarantee's when buying a pup.....so why does using tested parents matter.....and tested on what? one man's idea of a good working dog is crap for another....it's all relative to what you hunt....

 

"This theory of breeding from proven dogs doesn't add up" That statement is incredible,so much so i wonder if its there as a wind up? i hope young lurcher lads aren't taking any notice of stupidity like that,check out what's happened to breeds that have become popular with the KC puppy farmers,bedlingtons,borders ect,both ruined for the most part because of indiscriminate untested breeding stock.

What a load of b....ks.

 

 

Lurchers in case you hadn't noticed are not pedigrees.....as for youngsters well we've seen the damage some of the stupid comments made by owners you think should know better in relation to bull x's have done....no wonder there's a high turn over of this type when they dont live up to the hype.

[digger63 3]

"Lurchers in case you hadn't noticed are not pedigrees"

 

Neither were bedlingtons or borders at one time,irrelevant.

 

How do you know your foundation stock hasen't got a heart,lung,eye[especially collies],or some other defect that could be passed on to their pups?

a defect or unwanted trait that could go un-noticed in dogs that are never tested.

Very illogical thinking.

[adrianvygus 0]

there is no such thing as a duff dog

 

That statement good sir is.........rubbish. Getting a good dog, any type of working dog is decreased if you buy from non tested parents, went to is kennels back in 1991 with my dad but not been since so can't comment on the standard of care....................

Okay non tested? so the collie don't work sheep and the greyhound ain't what? run a hare? legaly speaking it won't be alone, most collies wouldn't know a sheep from an ironing board if it bit them in the arse. Does a puppy know that? when a hman baby is born does it know it's going to be an athleite or a housebreaker? it doesn't know if it's born in a castle or a council house. I once bought a little white and brown mongeral from Battersea dogs home, as fars as I know it didn't know a rabbit from a pig . he was however the best rabbit finder i ever had you didn't stop digging or ferreting till he moved away. too many crap trainers blame their dogs for their own deficiancies I know cos I've had the pleasure of taking a 'duff' dog and rubbing the previous 'trainers' nose in it.

 

 

Answer this though. The majority of people who want a working dog look for parents that have been tested, for a collie greyhound this may mean a dog that has worked sheep and proved it has stamina, good feet, inteligence and constitution, this dog put over either a coursing greyhound or a good track bitch is surely preferable to mating a pet collie to any greyhound? The comparison between human babies and puppies is irrelavent and doesn't hold water. As for you rescue dog, congratulations and i'm sure this was good fortune and perhaps training from your part as i'm sure if you rescued another 100 dogs from Battersea I doubt any would come to scratch. I agree that many people are quick to blame their dog rather than looking at themselves....BUT to state their are no "duff dogs" is plainy daft, working terriers are bred to working terriers and even then not all the dogs will make the grade, foxing lurchers WERE bred to foxing lurchers and again even if entered properly not all the litter would make the grade.

 

There are plenty of duff dogs out there as well as incompetent owners, I feel I had a good observation of that as a professional trainer specialising in manwork and tracking dogs.......................

Yerbut nobut a hypothetical person crosses his pet collie to his mates pet greyhound both are perfect specimens of their type but neither has been worked. The puppies are born . why in the right hands can't they turn out just as good as the proginy of a hardend hill collie and the worlds greatest track/coursing greyhound? by the way lest we forget they're only for catching rabbits Edited April 7, 2009 by adrianvygus

[MOO 730]

THERES NO SUCH THING AS A DUF DOG ....THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PILE OF SHITE I THINK IVE EVER READ ON HERE

[adrianvygus 0]

THERES NO SUCH THING AS A DUF DOG ....THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PILE OF SHITE I THINK IVE EVER READ ON HERE

You oughta try reading your own stuff back then

[Simoman 110]

a hypothetical person crosses his pet collie to his mates pet greyhound both are perfect specimens of their type but neither has been worked. The puppies are born . why in the right hands can't they turn out just as good as the proginy of a hardend hill collie and the worlds greatest track/coursing greyhound? by the way lest we forget they're only for catching rabbits

 

If you don't know why then I don't think I could make you understand my point..................

[MR POACH 2]

i know people who'v had dogs bred this way for years and then gone back when these got old and replaced them with more of the same, rabbits, hares ,and foxes no broblem, i now know people who'v got them and its a different story, and one chap is a die hard collie x fan and the one he runs at the minuite is not like the days of old , [lacking fire] , why are the pups earmarked ? ................. answer , if it was a good en , breed the same way again , " if you throw enough stones at a bucket , ones gotta go in "

[MOO 730]

a hypothetical person crosses his pet collie to his mates pet greyhound both are perfect specimens of their type but neither has been worked. The puppies are born . why in the right hands can't they turn out just as good as the proginy of a hardend hill collie and the worlds greatest track/coursing greyhound? by the way lest we forget they're only for catching rabbits

 

If you don't know why then I don't think I could make you understand my point..................

YOU ARE WASTEING YOUR TIME SI WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS .

[JPTfellterrier 65]

has anyone got any pics of these "hancock" dogs as i here so much about them and have no idea what they look like

[Simoman 110]

a hypothetical person crosses his pet collie to his mates pet greyhound both are perfect specimens of their type but neither has been worked. The puppies are born . why in the right hands can't they turn out just as good as the proginy of a hardend hill collie and the worlds greatest track/coursing greyhound? by the way lest we forget they're only for catching rabbits

 

If you don't know why then I don't think I could make you understand my point..................

YOU ARE WASTEING YOUR TIME SI WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS .

 

 

[colliejohn 840]

if your genuinely interested in a collie greyhound of decent stock give my good friend colliejohn a pm, he will point you in the right direction regards john

Cheers Johny, this subject could go on and on forever, but it,s each to their own, my type are different they are alot smaller than most collie greyhounds , but they are good honest workers, who can fill the bag. regards collie john.

[mighty celt 996]

has anyone got any pics of these "hancock" dogs as i here so much about them and have no idea what they look like

had a handcock 3qauter grey 1quater border collie she was a red merle colour stood at 25 inches tts and was d best lurcher i ever owend both day and night sadly missed as she boke her kneck doing what she loved at the age of 3 will be investing in another 1 soon.its not about d breeding in d dog does help thou. its about d time work and love u put in 2 your dog 2 get d best from them.

[FenMaster 2]

you will always get people defend hancock. but at the end of the day hes a commercial breeder nothing more his advert ( we breed some of the best collie lurchers in the world is a load of nonsence ) hes a dumping ground for average grader greyhound bitches from around the local tracks and thats fact which no one can deny and this bollox about his collies and travelling about to buy the best was started by plummer about 30 years ago when they were supposed to have travelled to scotland to buy a beardied collie dog since then hes bred his own stud dogs which in effect are dogs hes not sold i once said to him years ago how do you select a stud dog his answer to me was once they catch a rabbit theyve proved them selves to me that was enough said . its takes a very good dog to produce stock and its always a dog with proven blood lines behind him the best to the best over generations of selected breeding and which as been in the right hands to get the best out of it and these dogs are out there but they aint with hancock thats for sure. they suit some people but what youve got to look at is what kind of bench mark theyve set them selves one or two have come through his kennels admittedly but like one of the lads has just said if you throw enough stones at a bucket one is bound to go in per centage wise its rock bottom. and you most definately will not make a silk purse out of a pigs ear no matter how hard you try you will only get out whats in there. i grew up surrounded by dogs and good strains and good poachers so ive been lucky as far as dogs are concerned ive always had a good un about me and the use of a good stud dog if the need arose to use one my advice to any genuine youngster out there looking for a dog is stay well clear of hancock and if its a collie bred running dog you want speak to people like collie john or chalkwarren these people keep proven strains of this type and if they aint got anything at that time they could point you in the right direction and give you good advice. hancock has no standards at all as far as fieldcraft or dog work goes he couldnt catch a rabbit if his life depended on it and his stud dogs are the same so why would any one want to buy a pup of this man especially when they are bred from second rate graders which are given to him because they are not good enough for the previous owner