Simoman 110 Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 there is no such thing as a duff dog That statement good sir is.........rubbish. Getting a good dog, any type of working dog is decreased if you buy from non tested parents, went to is kennels back in 1991 with my dad but not been since so can't comment on the standard of care.................... Quote Link to post
poacher3161 1,766 Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 could i just use this post to apologize to the decent lurcher men and women who through there dedication have made dogs bought of hancock into good dog's no way have i set out to demeaour them in any way i am sorry but i cant get my head around PUPPY FARMERS Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 why do alot of people who have hancock dogs seem to want to defend hancock and argue his case ?????? They are defending there choice! Good or bad their dogs mean the world to them, to knock a mans dog is to knock them, it aint rocket science! i am talkining about people defending hancock himself and his buisness not his dogs! It's because the the people slagging him are also saying that pups bought from him will be shite because of the parentage......plus most of the folk slagging him of are just jumping on the bandwaggon and havn't been to his kennels or owned one of his dogs. Some of the more negative comments come from other breeders or folk trying to shift a litter of pups. Quote Link to post
adrianvygus 0 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 there is no such thing as a duff dog That statement good sir is.........rubbish. Getting a good dog, any type of working dog is decreased if you buy from non tested parents, went to is kennels back in 1991 with my dad but not been since so can't comment on the standard of care.................... Okay non tested? so the collie don't work sheep and the greyhound ain't what? run a hare? legaly speaking it won't be alone, most collies wouldn't know a sheep from an ironing board if it bit them in the arse. Does a puppy know that? when a hman baby is born does it know it's going to be an athleite or a housebreaker? it doesn't know if it's born in a castle or a council house. I once bought a little white and brown mongeral from Battersea dogs home, as fars as I know it didn't know a rabbit from a pig . he was however the best rabbit finder i ever had you didn't stop digging or ferreting till he moved away. too many crap trainers blame their dogs for their own deficiancies I know cos I've had the pleasure of taking a 'duff' dog and rubbing the previous 'trainers' nose in it. Quote Link to post
Guest Catcher Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 there is no such thing as a duff dog That statement good sir is.........rubbish. Getting a good dog, any type of working dog is decreased if you buy from non tested parents, went to is kennels back in 1991 with my dad but not been since so can't comment on the standard of care.................... Okay non tested? so the collie don't work sheep and the greyhound ain't what? run a hare? legaly speaking it won't be alone, most collies wouldn't know a sheep from an ironing board if it bit them in the arse. Does a puppy know that? when a hman baby is born does it know it's going to be an athleite or a housebreaker? it doesn't know if it's born in a castle or a council house. I once bought a little white and brown mongeral from Battersea dogs home, as fars as I know it didn't know a rabbit from a pig . he was however the best rabbit finder i ever had you didn't stop digging or ferreting till he moved away. too many crap trainers blame their dogs for their own deficiancies I know cos I've had the pleasure of taking a 'duff' dog and rubbing the previous 'trainers' nose in it. Who started this.A tested kennel ? what dose that mean.catcher Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 there is no such thing as a duff dog That statement good sir is.........rubbish. Getting a good dog, any type of working dog is decreased if you buy from non tested parents, went to is kennels back in 1991 with my dad but not been since so can't comment on the standard of care.................... Okay non tested? so the collie don't work sheep and the greyhound ain't what? run a hare? legaly speaking it won't be alone, most collies wouldn't know a sheep from an ironing board if it bit them in the arse. Does a puppy know that? when a hman baby is born does it know it's going to be an athleite or a housebreaker? it doesn't know if it's born in a castle or a council house. I once bought a little white and brown mongeral from Battersea dogs home, as fars as I know it didn't know a rabbit from a pig . he was however the best rabbit finder i ever had you didn't stop digging or ferreting till he moved away. too many crap trainers blame their dogs for their own deficiancies I know cos I've had the pleasure of taking a 'duff' dog and rubbing the previous 'trainers' nose in it. Answer this though. The majority of people who want a working dog look for parents that have been tested, for a collie greyhound this may mean a dog that has worked sheep and proved it has stamina, good feet, inteligence and constitution, this dog put over either a coursing greyhound or a good track bitch is surely preferable to mating a pet collie to any greyhound? The comparison between human babies and puppies is irrelavent and doesn't hold water. As for you rescue dog, congratulations and i'm sure this was good fortune and perhaps training from your part as i'm sure if you rescued another 100 dogs from Battersea I doubt any would come to scratch. I agree that many people are quick to blame their dog rather than looking at themselves....BUT to state their are no "duff dogs" is plainy daft, working terriers are bred to working terriers and even then not all the dogs will make the grade, foxing lurchers WERE bred to foxing lurchers and again even if entered properly not all the litter would make the grade. There are plenty of duff dogs out there as well as incompetent owners, I feel I had a good observation of that as a professional trainer specialising in manwork and tracking dogs....................... Quote Link to post
lamping-lad 160 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I KNOW A MAN WHO HAS HAD LURCHERS FOR 30 YEARS AND TOLD ME THE BEST ONE HES HAD WAS A HANCOCK. Quote Link to post
Guest Catcher Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I KNOW A MAN WHO HAS HAD LURCHERS FOR 30 YEARS AND TOLD ME THE BEST ONE HES HAD WAS A HANCOCK. I know a man too.Where did your man have his hand at the time.catcher Quote Link to post
Guest Catcher Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 there is no such thing as a duff dog That statement good sir is.........rubbish. Getting a good dog, any type of working dog is decreased if you buy from non tested parents, went to is kennels back in 1991 with my dad but not been since so can't comment on the standard of care.................... Okay non tested? so the collie don't work sheep and the greyhound ain't what? run a hare? legaly speaking it won't be alone, most collies wouldn't know a sheep from an ironing board if it bit them in the arse. Does a puppy know that? when a hman baby is born does it know it's going to be an athleite or a housebreaker? it doesn't know if it's born in a castle or a council house. I once bought a little white and brown mongeral from Battersea dogs home, as fars as I know it didn't know a rabbit from a pig . he was however the best rabbit finder i ever had you didn't stop digging or ferreting till he moved away. too many crap trainers blame their dogs for their own deficiancies I know cos I've had the pleasure of taking a 'duff' dog and rubbing the previous 'trainers' nose in it. Answer this though. The majority of people who want a working dog look for parents that have been tested, for a collie greyhound this may mean a dog that has worked sheep and proved it has stamina, good feet, inteligence and constitution, this dog put over either a coursing greyhound or a good track bitch is surely preferable to mating a pet collie to any greyhound? The comparison between human babies and puppies is irrelavent and doesn't hold water. As for you rescue dog, congratulations and i'm sure this was good fortune and perhaps training from your part as i'm sure if you rescued another 100 dogs from Battersea I doubt any would come to scratch. I agree that many people are quick to blame their dog rather than looking at themselves....BUT to state their are no "duff dogs" is plainy daft, working terriers are bred to working terriers and even then not all the dogs will make the grade, foxing lurchers WERE bred to foxing lurchers and again even if entered properly not all the litter would make the grade. There are plenty of duff dogs out there as well as incompetent owners, I feel I had a good observation of that as a professional trainer specialising in manwork and tracking dogs....................... Hi mate i try to stay out of this kind of argument.With all due repect i know where to get a good lurcher.catcher Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Sorry catcher, I don't understand what you mean? Quote Link to post
Guest Catcher Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Sorry catcher, I don't understand what you mean? Why ? You get a lurcher from people you know have good and proven dog,s.atb .catcher Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Sorry catcher, I don't understand what you mean? Why ? You get a lurcher from people you know have good and proven dog,s.atb .catcher Why, What, When, Which Yes my point exactly, tested parents Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) Sorry catcher, I don't understand what you mean? Why ? You get a lurcher from people you know have good and proven dog,s.atb .catcher Why, What, When, Which Yes my point exactly, tested parents This theory of breeding from proven dogs doesn't add up...everyone appears to agree that there's no guarantee's when buying a pup.....so why does using tested parents matter.....and tested on what? one man's idea of a good working dog is crap for another....it's all relative to what you hunt.... Edited April 7, 2009 by undisputed Quote Link to post
Bogder 9 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 For me this string has been very helpful as I am looking for a collie /grayhound lurcher pup and visited Hancocks just last week to talk about putting my name down for a pup. I understand that there is no guarentee of what its going to turn out like , but for me I would like to go down the route of similar type to Hancocks dogs but with a pup from perents that are actualy working . So if anyone has collie x pups for sale June time drop me a line. Thanks for helping me make up my mind..... Quote Link to post
tod 3 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 For me this string has been very helpful as I am looking for a collie /grayhound lurcher pup and visited Hancocks just last week to talk about putting my name down for a pup. I understand that there is no guarentee of what its going to turn out like , but for me I would like to go down the route of similar type to Hancocks dogs but with a pup from perents that are actualy working . So if anyone has collie x pups for sale June time drop me a line. Thanks for helping me make up my mind..... good decision and best of luck getting a pup Quote Link to post
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