south wingfeild show

[miss lurcher bitch 319]

i agree to many none working dogs picked out went to a show at newbury yesterday most dogs that were chosen were none workers you only at to look at the dogs to see people cleaning there dogs teeth in the ring and spitting on there dogs backs to make sure there was no dandruff makes me lol i spoke to this women yesterday she said myn hasonly chased a bunny onece the judges are letting the working dogs down over a show pony some of the dogs feet were really bad but still got placed the judge said to me yesterday im sorry i dident pick your dog but she would of been the best dog to have took her home i said are you haveing a laugh he said i love hancock dogs i have to of my own then my daughter took her in the rabbiting class and got a second a little black whippet x won it but had never worked in its life its a joke to the working class of dog oh and no bull x classes ether its sad really but i gess thats how it goes mlb

[the_stig 6,614]

easy answer dont go to shows ...

[goran 4]

i agree to many none working dogs picked out went to a show at newbury yesterday most dogs that were chosen were none workers you only at to look at the dogs to see people cleaning there dogs teeth in the ring and spitting on there dogs backs to make sure there was no dandruff makes me lol i spoke to this women yesterday she said myn hasonly chased a bunny onece the judges are letting the working dogs down over a show pony some of the dogs feet were really bad but still got placed the judge said to me yesterday im sorry i dident pick your dog but she would of been the best dog to have took her home i said are you haveing a laugh he said i love hancock dogs i have to of my own then my daughter took her in the rabbiting class and got a second a little black whippet x won it but had never worked in its life its a joke to the working class of dog oh and no bull x classes ether its sad really but i gess thats how it goes mlb

 

I was also at the Newbury show yesterday & it was my dog that was awarded Champion Lurcher. as regards working, he will take 2 out of 3 long eared rabbits & in the winter is lamped on a regular basis. However I like all my lurchers to be dual purpose & yes I will present them in good condition to any judge. Their teeth are cleaned (not at the show) to prevent gum disease in later years, & their coats are clean, there is nothing wrong in good presentation if you want to show your dog- everybody has a choice. Shows are to enjoy in the summer period.

[the_stig 6,614]

why not go to shows that suport a good cause is the fell and moorland not a worthy cause stig????? our show is to help towards the rescue of dogs both working and not in fairness the club probably helps to rescue more non workers of the general public than workers of members

i`ve worked shown and judged - terriers for 30 year my point being why go to shows then whinge about them - just dont go !!!.. i support all my local shows , fmwtc and hunt shows, so i`m with you on that ..i know only to well what the fmwtc does i`ve given up many an hour digging on rescues ..

[staffiedownwest 6]

thats why our show has ofered a bellman and flint for first prize to hopefully bring the worker back to the show ring oh and there will be a bull cross class hope to see you all there and all judges will be well respected working dog folk

 

:thumbs-up: I'm running a show for the NLRC on 17th May At THE Dog Inn Heighinton, Qualifier for ED/RD Bull X, Lurchers & Terriers and all Judges in attendance have their own working dogs what more can I say, be there, put up or shut up.

 

Don't usually get involved in some of these arguments, but I have to put my two-penneth in here. Unfortunately there are rules and regulations that ALL show organisers have to abide my since the hunting ban. As a show organiser, a member of the NRLC and a Judge, I don't necessarily agree with all the rules, as a lawyer I certainly don't agree with the law, as it is written. However, I would argue that there are the minority who don't like working dogs and would rather put up a pretty dog, but there are a lot of judges who still judge by the saying "best dog on the day". I have, on several occasions, put up a scarred or bull cross lurcher, over a pretty dog, but that's because I look beyond the skin and look for good movement, confirmation and fitness. OF course preference does enter your mind as a judge and usually when you can't split hairs between dogs. As an owner of Staff's, what also crosses my mind is the question "is the dog fit for the purpose" - that should apply to most terrier judges, be it working show or pedigree show, but sadly it does not. However, the only way anyway can change things is to attend the show and hope that the Judge has a sensible head on its shoulder on the day and remember that not all shows are the same. By the way, my show DOWN SOUTH has a Bull Cross Class, with a qualifier attached, so please don't tar all shows the same.

[ladyp 12]

i agree to many none working dogs picked out went to a show at newbury yesterday most dogs that were chosen were none workers you only at to look at the dogs to see people cleaning there dogs teeth in the ring and spitting on there dogs backs to make sure there was no dandruff makes me lol i spoke to this women yesterday she said myn hasonly chased a bunny onece the judges are letting the working dogs down over a show pony some of the dogs feet were really bad but still got placed the judge said to me yesterday im sorry i dident pick your dog but she would of been the best dog to have took her home i said are you haveing a laugh he said i love hancock dogs i have to of my own then my daughter took her in the rabbiting class and got a second a little black whippet x won it but had never worked in its life its a joke to the working class of dog oh and no bull x classes ether its sad really but i gess thats how it goes mlb

 

I was also at the Newbury show yesterday & it was my dog that was awarded Champion Lurcher. as regards working, he will take 2 out of 3 long eared rabbits & in the winter is lamped on a regular basis. However I like all my lurchers to be dual purpose & yes I will present them in good condition to any judge. Their teeth are cleaned (not at the show) to prevent gum disease in later years, & their coats are clean, there is nothing wrong in good presentation if you want to show your dog- everybody has a choice. Shows are to enjoy in the summer period.

 

 

thats why our show has ofered a bellman and flint for first prize to hopefully bring the worker back to the show ring oh and there will be a bull cross class hope to see you all there and all judges will be well respected working dog folk

 

:thumbs-up: I'm running a show for the NLRC on 17th May At THE Dog Inn Heighinton, Qualifier for ED/RD Bull X, Lurchers & Terriers and all Judges in attendance have their own working dogs what more can I say, be there, put up or shut up.

 

Don't usually get involved in some of these arguments, but I have to put my two-penneth in here. Unfortunately there are rules and regulations that ALL show organisers have to abide my since the hunting ban. As a show organiser, a member of the NRLC and a Judge, I don't necessarily agree with all the rules, as a lawyer I certainly don't agree with the law, as it is written. However, I would argue that there are the minority who don't like working dogs and would rather put up a pretty dog, but there are a lot of judges who still judge by the saying "best dog on the day". I have, on several occasions, put up a scarred or bull cross lurcher, over a pretty dog, but that's because I look beyond the skin and look for good movement, confirmation and fitness. OF course preference does enter your mind as a judge and usually when you can't split hairs between dogs. As an owner of Staff's, what also crosses my mind is the question "is the dog fit for the purpose" - that should apply to most terrier judges, be it working show or pedigree show, but sadly it does not. However, the only way anyway can change things is to attend the show and hope that the Judge has a sensible head on its shoulder on the day and remember that not all shows are the same. By the way, my show DOWN SOUTH has a Bull Cross Class, with a qualifier attached, so please don't tar all shows the same.

Well said.

[TOPPER 1,809]

thats why our show has ofered a bellman and flint for first prize to hopefully bring the worker back to the show ring oh and there will be a bull cross class hope to see you all there and all judges will be well respected working dog folk

 

:thumbs-up: I'm running a show for the NLRC on 17th May At THE Dog Inn Heighinton, Qualifier for ED/RD Bull X, Lurchers & Terriers and all Judges in attendance have their own working dogs what more can I say, be there, put up or shut up.

 

Don't usually get involved in some of these arguments, but I have to put my two-penneth in here. Unfortunately there are rules and regulations that ALL show organisers have to abide my since the hunting ban. As a show organiser, a member of the NRLC and a Judge, I don't necessarily agree with all the rules, as a lawyer I certainly don't agree with the law, as it is written. However, I would argue that there are the minority who don't like working dogs and would rather put up a pretty dog, but there are a lot of judges who still judge by the saying "best dog on the day". I have, on several occasions, put up a scarred or bull cross lurcher, over a pretty dog, but that's because I look beyond the skin and look for good movement, confirmation and fitness. OF course preference does enter your mind as a judge and usually when you can't split hairs between dogs. As an owner of Staff's, what also crosses my mind is the question "is the dog fit for the purpose" - that should apply to most terrier judges, be it working show or pedigree show, but sadly it does not. However, the only way anyway can change things is to attend the show and hope that the Judge has a sensible head on its shoulder on the day and remember that not all shows are the same. By the way, my show DOWN SOUTH has a Bull Cross Class, with a qualifier attached, so please don't tar all shows the same.

 

now i tend to avoid these disagreements but at newbury on sunday mick passed over some good working stuff in favour of the pretty dog and the result was known and aired on thl everybody knew who the winner would be it will be interesting to see if the same happens on this sunday if a certain black and tan owner turns up, if he does turn up its afix , mick and M are mates indeed some of micks dogs have come from M

now i am all for the best dog on the day but i ll always pick a worker over a show pony everytime and i dont give a toss who on the end of the lead, ive known mick kemish 30 odd years and i know M but i did expect more of mick after a witches warning so let see what happen sunday shall we

[the_stig 6,614]

i`ve not even thought about shows yet this year but you can bet - some have done 6 shows if not more already when i was into it in a big way i used to do all the early ones get your dogs known , a lot of judges just follow a trend and wont step out of line so in differant areas of the country you get a presession of dogs that will keep winning week in week out i dont do many these days but i used to travel miles just to have my dogs judged under someone new - couple of year ago i came under the same judge 3 weeks running won the pups, and res champ with my russell bitch every time, i travelled 70 mile the nxt week and thr he was again so i left em in the car did the entered and the pairs .. towards the end of the year he showed under me and was well pissed off when i gave him 3 2nds and he let me know it ..he wher`nt a mate he just expected a favour back .. i take em for what they are a bit of fun and day out .. as a judge you can only judge whats put in front of you i go for workers when ever i can but if the shows stuffs better on the day i`ll put it up -- if any one puts show stuff in front of me for the entered class they wont get feck all .. i`d like to see shows put on entered dog / entered bitch and champion entered terrier out the 2 - keep the show stuff out of it ..

[terrier.2 123]

which show you on about on sunday..topper

Edited April 7, 2009 by terrier.2

[tigerdog2 8]

if you dunt like shows dont go as stig says ,but if you do go and you are showing remember some shows are won before you get there end of !!

[TOPPER 1,809]

if you dunt like shows dont go as stig says ,but if you do go and you are showing remember some shows are won before you get there end of !!

 

 

shows shouldn t be won before there held but it sad to say there very few unbiast fair judges about these days , i just treat shows as a bit of fun a day out to meet people and have alaugh and thats how it should be if we come home with a red rossette its a bonus but my dogs have enough hard earnt medals they dont need rossettes to tell them there good dogs

[tigerdog2 8]

if you dunt like shows dont go as stig says ,but if you do go and you are showing remember some shows are won before you get there end of !!

 

 

shows shouldn t be won before there held but it sad to say there very few unbiast fair judges about these days , i just treat shows as a bit of fun a day out to meet people and have alaugh and thats how it should be if we come home with a red rossette its a bonus but my dogs have enough hard earnt medals they dont need rossettes to tell them there good dogs

thats true topper good comments there fair play to ya !!

[chickenjohnok 0]

went to this show yesterday which was supposedly a working lurcher and terrier show i know these are only a bit of fun for people in the summer but when you get a woman judging the entered class that doesnt even work her dogs it takes the biscuit! the dog that did win desereved it as it looked like it had done a bit but also a woman who ive been informed doesnt work hers went on to win the championship when there were alot of dogs worthy of the title working dog stood right next to her!! the womans dog that won it was a very nice lakey but it would of been better off stood in crufts not a working terrier show these judges that do judge shows want to start getting some balls and picking working dogs out not just the ones that look pretty! also heard these people wont sell there dogs to fellas that are gonna graft them so how on earth is this supporting the working dog world its a anti if anything im sure you all know who these people are anyway moan over just thought id say what alot of people are thinking if i were ever asked to judge i would ask how the dog worked while going over it if the reply was it doesnt then the dog wouldnt get a look in as it is a supposedly WORKING DOG SHOW!! what are these shows coming to

Mr Crazy Dag

Was it a working terrier show ? or was it a terrier show ? I was informed it was the latter.

What are my qualifications to judge . In the past I was terrierman to hunts in N. Yorkshire and S. Yorkshire for many yeas My work consisted of 2 days working hunted foxes, 2 days earth stopping and 1 day shifting badgers in the days when it was legal may I say !

The dog that won on the day was well fit for purpose As for the working abilities of a dog until you actually see this well

scars just alone are not a testament to its working ability for Iv seen dogs run in and get hammered and then run out just as fast I have also seen dogs that are prepared to stay all day long and get the job done with hardly a scratch which one will you pick ?

My apprenticeship took me over 45years may I respectfully suggest that you go and put the time in and I will Gladly listen and learn .

P.S. As for Bull X s I was possibly one of the first to work them i.e.1972 / 1973 but I am not shower