First Mink out the new sets...

[120-2 8]

I think we get mistaken sometimes by the word INSTANTLY remember the killing times of all approved traps at the moment has to be under 3 minutes which in my book is a long way from instantly the new EU directive wants to bring the killing time down to under a 1 minute if this is the case a lot of the spring traps we have at the moment will fail this ruling. With new traps coming through like the Kania, body grips and very soon a modified tube trap for mink we are at least working towards the new rules if they should be bought in. Killing times will vary greatly on the size of the target animal the size differences between a bitch and dog mink vary enormously, catch fully grown buck rabbit in Mk 6 fenn the killing time will be a lot longer than a young quarter grown one. Everyone traps differently and we all have our own ways of doing things right or wrong as long as they are legal we can learn of each other as opposed to critise someone because its not the way we do it ourself.

 

120-2

[Holdaway 2]

I am not going to join in the argument in any way. I merely will say that I like the body grip for it's many uses. I have only two Fenns, both are mark iv's and have had rats and mice in them and they were all dead, however, as has been pointed out on this thread, if an animal goes into a trap and is then found UP TO 24 hours later (within the law) you would hope the animal would be dead, BUT, that does not signify an instant kill. If the laws change, I think we will see some vast improvements in the quality of traps on the market and this might go a long way to banning the import, selling and use of non approved chinese rubbish sold by some unscrupulous traders.

 

I know the guys who tried out the body grips and had them tested and passed and I will take their word for their effectiveness. The Fenn has been approved for it's current use, but will it pass any new legislation brought in around new killing times? That I don't know and until they are retested I don't think anyone else does either.

 

I have often checked my traps many times in one day as I am quite the saddo and have very little else in my life, and I can honestly say hand on heart that everything to enter a body grip has been dead when I found it, that is not to say I will not have foul catches in the future and that is not to say it took less than three minutes to dispatch the animal.

 

As Snareman has pointed out on many occassions, we (our government) could learn a lot from other countries such as Canada and Northern America.

 

All the best to everyone

 

H

[Foxy09 3]

Ok maybe i should have chosen my words better and there may be a time when as you say any trap may not kill cleanly, but used correctly in a well constructed set theres no reason at all why a genuine mk 6 fenn shouldnt kill the animal instantly, so if i was finding that my catches were regularly(or at all for that matter) foul trapping or being dragged i would think there was definitely something wrong. its this attention to detail in my honest opinion thats makes a good trapper, any fool can catch a mink, but only a good trapper will kill them cleanly.

 

Foxy

After reading this thread ,many on here will have come to the conclusion that your doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong,so tell us Foxy,whats the secret ,how do you achieve these 100% instant kills ,take us through it in detail, i have learnt a lot off this forum,and now i feel i have the chance to learn a lot more.Over the years i have caught two mink and several ferrets in fenn 6s ,all were alive and taken in traps set for rabbits,i have also caught 1mink ,stoats, and ferrets in bgs these were all dead,on another note theres a chap here on the leicestershire -warrickshire border who catches a lot of mink,he uses live catch traps,and also says, fenns are not a lot of good,so foxy,the stage is yours ,tell us [or better still ,show us]how to achieve these remarkable results.

Micky

 

Hi Micky , detecting a hint of sarcasm in your request ill do my best to satisfy your question anyway although im pretty sure if i was to post a ten page step by step guide to my whole trap line and film it along the way you still wouldnt be happy....such is the nature of this forum but hey. Anyway.... at no point have i said or given the impression that im right and everyone is wrong, if thats the idea you have got might i suggest you have some insecurity issues? There is no secret to succesfull trapping either i like to call it common sense, if you dont think a trap has enough power to kill your quarry cleany why the hell are you using it?? i cant quite figure that out? Ive watched Mink both dogs and bitches work the stream bank and go into my sets on three occasions and by the time i got down the bank which was less than 30 seconds they have all been stone dead in the trap where they stood, all of my sets have jump sticks in them so the mink had to actually jump straight onto the trap and 9 times out of 10 land both feet right on the kill plate and if this happens and your using a genuine mk6 fenn which isnt obstructed in any way theres no reason why that mink shouldnt be dead within seconds, the majority of my sets also narrow in the middle so there is no room to side step the trap at all, the only way through is over the jump sticks and onto the trap, i will post pics of some of my sets asap to show what i mean, is all very simple and common sense so theres really no 'secret" involved, if you pay attention to detail while doing your set it makes all the difference in my opinion, get down on your hands and knees and look into the set from the minks point of view, is there a wee gap or a stone the mink could step on that might possible take the mink over or even slightly to one side of your trap? if there is i change it. I'm no expert trapper i just use common sense so i make no apologies if some people dont agree with what im saying because quite frankly it works bloody well for me and i was taught by the best.

 

Foxy

 

P.S Micky... wouldnt post on an open forum about catching ferrets...its illegal, domestic or feral, but youl know that already with everything you have learned.

 

All the best.

[TOMO 26,231]

intresting thread this , just to touch slightly on traps killing instantly, watch allan samons excelent little film on trapping and stuff. he films rats actualy going in to some body grips set on runs.

 

and i did not see 1 single rat killed instantly , they all take a varying amount of times to die. not having a go at the film here, or the man. as i said its a good film from a forward thinker like snareman. but just to highlight that death can take a few mins somtimes

[micky 3,325]

Ok maybe i should have chosen my words better and there may be a time when as you say any trap may not kill cleanly, but used correctly in a well constructed set theres no reason at all why a genuine mk 6 fenn shouldnt kill the animal instantly, so if i was finding that my catches were regularly(or at all for that matter) foul trapping or being dragged i would think there was definitely something wrong. its this attention to detail in my honest opinion thats makes a good trapper, any fool can catch a mink, but only a good trapper will kill them cleanly.

 

Foxy

After reading this thread ,many on here will have come to the conclusion that your doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong,so tell us Foxy,whats the secret ,how do you achieve these 100% instant kills ,take us through it in detail, i have learnt a lot off this forum,and now i feel i have the chance to learn a lot more.Over the years i have caught two mink and several ferrets in fenn 6s ,all were alive and taken in traps set for rabbits,i have also caught 1mink ,stoats, and ferrets in bgs these were all dead,on another note theres a chap here on the leicestershire -warrickshire border who catches a lot of mink,he uses live catch traps,and also says, fenns are not a lot of good,so foxy,the stage is yours ,tell us [or better still ,show us]how to achieve these remarkable results.

Micky

 

Hi Micky , detecting a hint of sarcasm in your request ill do my best to satisfy your question anyway although im pretty sure if i was to post a ten page step by step guide to my whole trap line and film it along the way you still wouldnt be happy....such is the nature of this forum but hey. Anyway.... at no point have i said or given the impression that im right and everyone is wrong, if thats the idea you have got might i suggest you have some insecurity issues? There is no secret to succesfull trapping either i like to call it common sense, if you dont think a trap has enough power to kill your quarry cleany why the hell are you using it?? i cant quite figure that out? Ive watched Mink both dogs and bitches work the stream bank and go into my sets on three occasions and by the time i got down the bank which was less than 30 seconds they have all been stone dead in the trap where they stood, all of my sets have jump sticks in them so the mink had to actually jump straight onto the trap and 9 times out of 10 land both feet right on the kill plate and if this happens and your using a genuine mk6 fenn which isnt obstructed in any way theres no reason why that mink shouldnt be dead within seconds, the majority of my sets also narrow in the middle so there is no room to side step the trap at all, the only way through is over the jump sticks and onto the trap, i will post pics of some of my sets asap to show what i mean, is all very simple and common sense so theres really no 'secret" involved, if you pay attention to detail while doing your set it makes all the difference in my opinion, get down on your hands and knees and look into the set from the minks point of view, is there a wee gap or a stone the mink could step on that might possible take the mink over or even slightly to one side of your trap? if there is i change it. I'm no expert trapper i just use common sense so i make no apologies if some people dont agree with what im saying because quite frankly it works bloody well for me and i was taught by the best.

 

Foxy

 

P.S Micky... wouldnt post on an open forum about catching ferrets...its illegal, domestic or feral, but youl know that already with everything you have learned .No insecurity issues mate,its just that i dont believe you,

all the best micky

[Guest fieldtrapper]

Love the MINK mate and think if your up for going out and enjoying what your doing your ahead.

[Matt 160]

intresting thread this , just to touch slightly on traps killing instantly, watch allan samons excelent little film on trapping and stuff. he films rats actualy going in to some body grips set on runs.

 

and i did not see 1 single rat killed instantly , they all take a varying amount of times to die. not having a go at the film here, or the man. as i said its a good film from a forward thinker like snareman. but just to highlight that death can take a few mins somtimes

 

 

 

Wise words Chalky (as always).

 

Without getting too far into this, I don't think Fenns would've been approved for the purpose they are sold for if they weren't man enough to do the job relatively humanely.

 

Having said that, there is no doubt that a proper bodygripper, properly set, is a hell of a killing machine.

 

I'd never be brave enough to suggest that any trap was capable of killing instantly, every time, but equally, I'd not be too quick to condemn an approved trap........

 

Mind you, it's a different story if you want to discuss some of the far eastern crud masquerading as Fenns and Bodygrippers. The tossers peddling that rubbish should be forced to put their hands into the real deal IMO.

 

Each to his or her own.

 

But, as Chalkwarren has sensibly pointed out, be very careful what is written here; legislators, politicians, journalists and other less dangerous non trappers may well be reading this.....

[DUCKWING 302]

NICE TO SEE YOU WRITING CHALKIE AND PEG AND GUN ,

 

YEP , THIS REALLY IS A BAD PLACE TO AIR DIRTY LAUNDRY ,

 

HOWEVER , WHEATHER IN A PUB , IN SOMEONES HOME OR ON THE INTERNET ........... I .... AS YOU KNOW CHALKIE HAVE A REAL ADVERSION TOWARDS FELLAS TRYING TO FILL ME AND OTHERS UP WITH BULLSHIT ......... IVE HUNTED AND TRAPPED ALL MY LIFE AND FEEL SORRY FOR KIDS TODAY WHO READ SOME OF THE CRAP ON HERE AND BECAUSE OF A LACK OF EXPERIENCE BELIVE AND .......... HELL .......... ... EVEN TAKE IT AS GOSPEL !

 

SO YOU FELLAS OUT THERE ON A MISSION FOR SELF GLORY ..... DONT EXPECT TO TALK SHIT AND GET AWAY WITH IT .........

 

PERSONALLY THIS WINTER IVE HAD ........... A GOOD FEW MINK ON A TRAP LINE WHICH WAS SORTED DURING LAST SPRING AND LEFT IN GROW IN ,

THE PREVIOUS 2 WINTERS TRAVEL LINE SETTING ON A FEW WELL ESTABLISHED PIPES WASNT YEILDING THE AMOUNT I THOUGHT THE RIVERS HELD , HENCE THE CHANGE IN TACTICS

WHY AM I MENTIONING THIS .. WELL .......... YOU LADS WILL NOTICE THE WORD WINTER HIGHLIGHTED ,

MY TRAPS AND SNARES ARE HUNG UP AND ........... YES .......... IF I GET A CALLOUT TO A GUY LOOSING STOCK IT WILL BE ANSWERED ,

I KNOW LADS HAVE TO DO DAMAGE LIMITATION WORK ON PREDATORS AND YES , DO THE SAME MYSELF ........... HOWEVER I DO FEEL A LOT OF LADS WHO ARENT IN THAT POSTION SHOULD GIVE YOUR QUARRY A TIME TO BREED AND REAR YOUNG . AFTER ALL IF THE JOB WAS DONE RIGHT IN THE WINTER THE NUMBERS SHOULD NOW BE ACCEPTABLE

 

 

WELL FOXY

IVE USED JUMP STICKS IN CONECTION WITH FENNS OVER TWENTY YRS .............. NEXT TIP ????

 

KEEP UP THE POSTS CHALKIE AND P@G

 

ALL THE BEST

 

 

DUCKWING

[undisputed 1,664]

Very informative and interesting thread even to non-trappers like myself. It's a shame though that you are plagued by the same petty sniping and snide comments that are seen in all the other sections....thats life I guess

[Foxy09 3]

NICE TO SEE YOU WRITING CHALKIE AND PEG AND GUN ,

 

YEP , THIS REALLY IS A BAD PLACE TO AIR DIRTY LAUNDRY ,

 

HOWEVER , WHEATHER IN A PUB , IN SOMEONES HOME OR ON THE INTERNET ........... I .... AS YOU KNOW CHALKIE HAVE A REAL ADVERSION TOWARDS FELLAS TRYING TO FILL ME AND OTHERS UP WITH BULLSHIT ......... IVE HUNTED AND TRAPPED ALL MY LIFE AND FEEL SORRY FOR KIDS TODAY WHO READ SOME OF THE CRAP ON HERE AND BECAUSE OF A LACK OF EXPERIENCE BELIVE AND .......... HELL .......... ... EVEN TAKE IT AS GOSPEL !

 

SO YOU FELLAS OUT THERE ON A MISSION FOR SELF GLORY ..... DONT EXPECT TO TALK SHIT AND GET AWAY WITH IT .........

 

PERSONALLY THIS WINTER IVE HAD ........... A GOOD FEW MINK ON A TRAP LINE WHICH WAS SORTED DURING LAST SPRING AND LEFT IN GROW IN ,

THE PREVIOUS 2 WINTERS TRAVEL LINE SETTING ON A FEW WELL ESTABLISHED PIPES WASNT YEILDING THE AMOUNT I THOUGHT THE RIVERS HELD , HENCE THE CHANGE IN TACTICS

WHY AM I MENTIONING THIS .. WELL .......... YOU LADS WILL NOTICE THE WORD WINTER HIGHLIGHTED ,

MY TRAPS AND SNARES ARE HUNG UP AND ........... YES .......... IF I GET A CALLOUT TO A GUY LOOSING STOCK IT WILL BE ANSWERED ,

I KNOW LADS HAVE TO DO DAMAGE LIMITATION WORK ON PREDATORS AND YES , DO THE SAME MYSELF ........... HOWEVER I DO FEEL A LOT OF LADS WHO ARENT IN THAT POSTION SHOULD GIVE YOUR QUARRY A TIME TO BREED AND REAR YOUNG . AFTER ALL IF THE JOB WAS DONE RIGHT IN THE WINTER THE NUMBERS SHOULD NOW BE ACCEPTABLE

 

 

WELL FOXY

IVE USED JUMP STICKS IN CONECTION WITH FENNS OVER TWENTY YRS .............. NEXT TIP ????

 

KEEP UP THE POSTS CHALKIE AND P@G

 

ALL THE BEST

 

 

DUCKWING

 

I wasnt giving tips duckwing i was only answering the mans question on how i done things?? this was meant to be an interesting topic where hopefully people could have shared experiences but yet again its been turned into a dick measuring contest by the same old users. Its a wonder anyones left posting on this section.

 

Foxy

[Foxy09 3]

Ok maybe i should have chosen my words better and there may be a time when as you say any trap may not kill cleanly, but used correctly in a well constructed set theres no reason at all why a genuine mk 6 fenn shouldnt kill the animal instantly, so if i was finding that my catches were regularly(or at all for that matter) foul trapping or being dragged i would think there was definitely something wrong. its this attention to detail in my honest opinion thats makes a good trapper, any fool can catch a mink, but only a good trapper will kill them cleanly.

 

Foxy

After reading this thread ,many on here will have come to the conclusion that your doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong,so tell us Foxy,whats the secret ,how do you achieve these 100% instant kills ,take us through it in detail, i have learnt a lot off this forum,and now i feel i have the chance to learn a lot more.Over the years i have caught two mink and several ferrets in fenn 6s ,all were alive and taken in traps set for rabbits,i have also caught 1mink ,stoats, and ferrets in bgs these were all dead,on another note theres a chap here on the leicestershire -warrickshire border who catches a lot of mink,he uses live catch traps,and also says, fenns are not a lot of good,so foxy,the stage is yours ,tell us [or better still ,show us]how to achieve these remarkable results.

Micky

 

Hi Micky , detecting a hint of sarcasm in your request ill do my best to satisfy your question anyway although im pretty sure if i was to post a ten page step by step guide to my whole trap line and film it along the way you still wouldnt be happy....such is the nature of this forum but hey. Anyway.... at no point have i said or given the impression that im right and everyone is wrong, if thats the idea you have got might i suggest you have some insecurity issues? There is no secret to succesfull trapping either i like to call it common sense, if you dont think a trap has enough power to kill your quarry cleany why the hell are you using it?? i cant quite figure that out? Ive watched Mink both dogs and bitches work the stream bank and go into my sets on three occasions and by the time i got down the bank which was less than 30 seconds they have all been stone dead in the trap where they stood, all of my sets have jump sticks in them so the mink had to actually jump straight onto the trap and 9 times out of 10 land both feet right on the kill plate and if this happens and your using a genuine mk6 fenn which isnt obstructed in any way theres no reason why that mink shouldnt be dead within seconds, the majority of my sets also narrow in the middle so there is no room to side step the trap at all, the only way through is over the jump sticks and onto the trap, i will post pics of some of my sets asap to show what i mean, is all very simple and common sense so theres really no 'secret" involved, if you pay attention to detail while doing your set it makes all the difference in my opinion, get down on your hands and knees and look into the set from the minks point of view, is there a wee gap or a stone the mink could step on that might possible take the mink over or even slightly to one side of your trap? if there is i change it. I'm no expert trapper i just use common sense so i make no apologies if some people dont agree with what im saying because quite frankly it works bloody well for me and i was taught by the best.

 

Foxy

 

P.S Micky... wouldnt post on an open forum about catching ferrets...its illegal, domestic or feral, but youl know that already with everything you have learned .No insecurity issues mate,its just that i dont believe you,

all the best micky

 

well ill bare that in mind and just pray it doesn't keep me awake at night.....

 

Foxy

[Guest fieldtrapper]

wishing I could get out there and do some mink (wish I new how) will never understand the loopholes in the law regarding the dispatch methods of a animal. anyone else got mink pics as this is a passion to myself.

[120-2 8]

Looks like a fuller trap? or not!

[OldTrapCollector 377]

Looks like a fuller trap? or not!

 

It certainly is a Fuller trap

 

Set by the 'Squirrel King' if I am not mistaken too, eh Chalkwarren??

 

OTC

[Guest fieldtrapper]

being only new to this site and looking at this thread and thinking I wish I could do. It is in lights that us (the country loving folk) are bitiring unuited in are sport,jobs or interest. Come on this lad has trapped two mink and have not seen a continuing thread with more mink trapping. Id love to do this as a hobby possible future job but the story has been an insult to mink trapping (shame) i'm wondering how many real trappers are out there with the passion of old.