erik 71 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 yes you know him ,,thats steezy's best friend Quote Link to post
valerio 32 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I've never worked coons simply cos in Italy there are no coons,but I've worked my dogs on badger and I think that a dog that can handle badger underground can handle coons too. Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 As for raccons the perfect dog is already in the USA the pit bull you just want to start breeding them small. Why would anyone spend years and generations tryng to breed a smal pitbull when there are lines of working terriers that can aleady do the job? Quote Link to post
Hunting-top-shots 2 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 yes you know him ,,thats steezy's best friend where is steezy, I sent him a mail but I have not got an answer!! how many of the small black ones do you want to bring with you?? you can stay at My place HTS Quote Link to post
chrissy32 13 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 i think this dog is good enough for the job .... fcuk me can this dog drive aswell dont want to sound like a cock mucker but he looks like he,s never seen a days graft in his life and saying that goods good Quote Link to post
wilko 1 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 i like the way you talk of fair sport one on one. but you say that dog bayed for the first ever time maybe two mins.. but looking and seeing what coon dogs do . we can only asume he is a dog that takes hold an dont give much tonge. coons are as you say 30lb hard biyten quarry. as is fox an badger . so unless he has spent a bit more than two mins standing off an baying . he dont seem to show the working marks of a hard bitten coon dog .. Quote Link to post
F.R. 2 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i like the way you talk of fair sport one on one. but you say that dog bayed for the first ever time maybe two mins.. but looking and seeing what coon dogs do . we can only asume he is a dog that takes hold an dont give much tonge. coons are as you say 30lb hard biyten quarry. as is fox an badger . so unless he has spent a bit more than two mins standing off an baying . he dont seem to show the working marks of a hard bitten coon dog .. I think the dog you reference wilko isn't pictured. If you're referencing Kye's post, I saw Kye's dog work on that dig, perhaps his second this side, and he sounded for 20-30 minutes while I dug through real rooty earth to him as he was under a tree. Kye was sawing and digging the dog's side of the tree. The coon drowned packed into an incredibly tight tube on the edge of a stream trying to bolt. It's hard to say what happened to be honest, as this line will bay to grips and the dog was one side of roots, us on the other, and the quarry was wedged, deceased by drowning/suffocation, a tug of war ensued- neither dog or coon able to be removed until we could open up far enough....a real cluster to be honest. I had to dig the coon out fully and break the dog off from my side to remove either. From the time to dog opened until the coon shifted and went quiet was 2 minutes or so (just enough for the quarry to shift but not get away), he had hold of the back end and was speaking with his mouth full the balance of the time. It was a relief to hear him bay to be honest as he would not have had a long career if he'd not been flexible in style abit imo. He's made an excellent dog, one anyone would be proud to own. Kye's a lucky man to have him. I've seen the dog do things he physically shouldn't be capable of and make it look easy- a really, really good animal. My memory could be off a bit and if it is, I hope Kye will correct me as I'm old and feeble now..... Quote Link to post
F.R. 2 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 As for raccons the perfect dog is already in the USA the pit bull you just want to start breeding them small. Why would anyone spend years and generations tryng to breed a smal pitbull when there are lines of working terriers that can aleady do the job? I agree Simoman, there are terriers that do the job fine. Quote Link to post
Hunting-top-shots 2 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i think this dog is good enough for the job .... fcuk me can this dog drive aswell dont want to sound like a cock mucker but he looks like he,s never seen a days graft in his life and saying that goods good Hi Terrierman1977. sorry to upset ya but I have worked with this dog and I was impressed, the first time that I had worked with Patterdales and Feck me what a difference to the terriers that I had see up untill then here in Germany. this dog is the reason that I will be getting one or 2 of the line that Eric has. (Nuttall) well done and thanks to Brian N for a dog line that you can trust. HTS Quote Link to post
jeppi 49 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i think this dog is good enough for the job .... fcuk me can this dog drive aswell dont want to sound like a cock mucker but he looks like he,s never seen a days graft in his life and saying that goods good look closer mate its nose n chin as scares on it Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 As for raccons the perfect dog is already in the USA the pit bull you just want to start breeding them small. Why would anyone spend years and generations tryng to breed a smal pitbull when there are lines of working terriers that can aleady do the job? It would not take years and years, a few tight matings and you would be getting somewhere, like these raccons are not the typical ground quarry, there used to be regular accounts of pit bulls working cats and coons in edrd and on another froum I used to go on, as I understand it coons are killing regular earth dog breeds, so a bit of heavy muscle and jaw would be the ticket. What would you do with the litter wastage and how would you test them properly? Why not just breed from lines that are doing the job and test them? Just seems long winded and uneccersary to me Although what would i know, the only raccoons I see are in wildlife parks, People like FR and Kye are the folks working them regularly Quote Link to post
erik 71 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 fcuk me can this dog drive aswell dont want to sound like a cock mucker but he looks like he,s never seen a days graft in his life and saying that goods good no he can't drive mate but he is me car alarm LOL !!! and sorry now you sound like a cock mucker now but i dont blame you we both know wish photo's are good and wish not good for on a board like this Hi Terrierman1977. sorry to upset ya but I have worked with this dog and I was impressed, the first time that I had worked with Patterdales and Feck me what a difference to the terriers that I had see up untill then here in Germany. this dog is the reason that I will be getting one or 2 of the line that Eric has. (Nuttall) well done and thanks to Brian N for a dog line that you can trust. HTS dont for get ronnie cloot mate whitout him i did not have any of thise black ones Quote Link to post
sounder79 80 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 In my exsperiance, a fox is much easier for a dog to deal with,... Ive seen a dog, that came from england, who some would class as a hard dog,..he was on a load of fox in England, and killed his first at 11 months....if he could get upto his fox, and the dig was over 20 minutes, the fox was dead...he was always to grips with earth dwelling game... He killed his first coon (about 20lbs) the second coon he saw (27.5lbs) he was with for 2.5hrs...that coon made him bay for the first time, although it was only for a minute or two at most...the dog has since become a very reliable worker, although recently, has been laid up (maybe permantly retired) due to being hit buy a truck...the dog, although still always looking to come to grips, is what i would class as a mixer/bayer. Ive worked what there is to work a terrier on in the UK...ive dug my fair share of Fox,...simply put, a Raccoon is a FORMIDABLE animal, that has to be seen to be beleaved!... When RatKillah first came over, we had a good dog in on a coon in an old Beaver den, in a river bank (a VERY tricky spot!) and when he heard the sound of the dog and coon in combat, i said to him.."What size do you think that is then mate!"....he looked at me and said.."Gotta be around the 25-30lbs mark, surly to God!"...once dealt with, the coon was 16-18lbs...it was a very good animal, but no better than the average coon of that size in our area,... As for some info on hunting terriers on coon on the net,...there are some sites, that use pics to sell dogs...NOTHING more!...i know of some sites, where there are pics of dogs with coon lined up infront of them, and the dogs in the pics didnt even get the coon!...and when they do get coon, they put a 'gang' of terriers on them...hardly what i would call fair, or a test, or even respectful!...infact, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth!.. When we hunt barns or buildings, we normaly drop one dog, two at most...if working two, when one finds the game before the other does, the other is lifted, and either held, or chained out...leaving the dog that found the game to do his work in peace,... Kye,... so racoons go to ground? i didnt know that. Quote Link to post
Kye 77 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hi Sounder79,.. Yes mate, they go to ground...in old beaver holes, old ground hog holes, in trees, barns, houses, farm building, old cars, farm machinery,...ANYWHERE that warm, draft free, and dry. Thanks FR,...as always, i dont get across very well in wrighting, what i mean in my head!..lmao...f*****g illiterate!... ... The dig FR refers to, was, quite frankly, a f**k up!..lol...what should have taken 45 minutes, took 2.5hrs,...but anyone that says they have never made a mistake while hunting, would be a bullshitter!..lol. The black dog pictured, is NOT the dog i mention,... Kye,.. PS...no one needs to be breeding small pitsbulls to hunt coon!..lol...i have a half bred pit, half fell pup at the moment, but i didnt get her because of her bull blood...i was low on terriers, and a mate kindly offered her as a gift!...you certainly do NOT need bull blood in terriers full stop imo...but im not against it either...the right Bull, with the right Terrier can make VERY good dogs...ive dug to Bull x Terriers, that where very good dogs... A coon, can and will kill a dog...in the wrong spot (water in a pipe is very dangerous!) and the wrong coon, it can be bad!...two seasons ago, me and FR spent a very cold 1.5hrs getting a dog out of some frozen ground...it was terrible...only about a foot deep!!!...FR used his 35lb bar to chip away at the ground, and i done what i could, but it was bad...we got the dog out, and im surprised he didnt go into shock...he was soaking wet, and although i cant remember how cold it was, it was in the negative range!...the dog took some stick, but if it had been a fox in there, im sure he would of been better off!... Raccoons are NO joke guys...you will just have to take my word for it!..lol. Quote Link to post
Hepher 86 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i think this dog is good enough for the job .... fcuk me can this dog drive aswell dont want to sound like a cock mucker but he looks like he,s never seen a days graft in his life and saying that goods good SORRY TERRIERMAN BUT THAT DOG SHOWS SIGNS OF PROPER WORK UNLIKE MANY OF THE TERRIERS WE SEE PICS POSTED OF ON HERE. Quote Link to post
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