Panna 68 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Great! That is another great example why those of the old continent has no chance to get good working dogs on reasonable price! Anna Quote Link to post
breeze 1,324 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Miller 1989 .... The pic you put up of that Russell look's alot like the young bitch that I have here ... Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 JD, which list do you refer to? Mine or Stig's? Another question: Why do you all cry so much if a pup cost 200-250 quid? In Europe you will not get any pup under 700 Euros!! I would beg you to send me a promising pup from working parents and known anchestry in a reasonable price. ATB, Anna Panna, theres a veritable chasm of difference between the show person and the working terrier man. Thats why working terrier men scoff at such high prices for such sub-standard, untested and unworked stock... Yes, i know that some say that a person can be both but im not too sure of that in the vast majority of instances. A true working terrier man won't breed for money and will not let pups go to anyone holding a handful of pound notes. A true terrierman breeds for himself and his friends to pass on good working stock to further the bloodlines of grand working terriers. He, in turn, will recieve pups back. Money is never, ever mentioned. All this is free of charge. Money has ruined lots of dogs, in fact, it is running rife in the terrier scene now, but there are still a good many boys that value their morals and terriers above something so transparent as money. Now no one can tell me that the people spewing out litter after litter are not in it for the money. Panna, just as an aside, the more money dogs sell for the more dogs will get pinched. Just a few thoughts....but im not saying im correct, its just one mans opinion on something he feels strongly about.... good hunting to you....JD spot on jd -- i`ve been out of work for 3 months now and no sign of work for a while i`ve got 3 bitchs workers and lookers all due in season and my own dog to use as stud 3 bitchs a possible £200 per pup and a possible 20 pups = £4000 do i ease my money worries may even get a holiday out of it and mate em up ..?? no thanks not for me i`ve always bred for my own use and gave away to mates kept a hard keep or cull regime for the last 30 year , yep 30 plus years in the terrier game and hardly any fecker would know who i am suits me fine ... Quote Link to post
Guest miller1989 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Miller 1989 .... The pic you put up of that Russell look's alot like the young bitch that I have here ... yeah there quite similar but i understand why people breed dogs and give them to people they know! STOPS ALL THE THEIVING SCUM IF NO-ONE KNOWS UNLESS HE WAS UNLUCKY! Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) Great! That is another great example why those of the old continent has no chance to get good working dogs on reasonable price! Anna once you`ve got your foundation dogs why would you buy in ? start your own line .. so much shits gone overseas brought by stupid mug buyers over the years thrs probly nowt worth using an 8 yr old russell dog was sold to america a few yrs back for 10 grand a litter of 5 pups sold to sweden for 10 grand sold by big name terriermen who cashed in .. good show and work stuff could have fecthed silly money but so many of us never jumped on the band wagon Edited March 27, 2009 by the_stig Quote Link to post
just jack 998 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Great! That is another great example why those of the old continent has no chance to get good working dogs on reasonable price! Anna once you`ve got your foundation dogs why would you buy in ? start your own line .. so much shits gone overseas brought by stupid mug buyers over the years thrs probly nowt worth using an 8 yr old russell dog was sold to america a few yrs back for 10 grand a litter of 5 pups sold to sweden for 10 grand sold by big name terriermen who cashed in .. good show and work stuff could have fecthed silly money but so many of us never jumped on the band wagon wehup stig, talking about the ones that havn't jumped on the band waggon, do they only sell/give away to digging pals only, meaning, only for digging and nothing else, ie ratting etc, just a simple question, so a simple answer, jack Quote Link to post
Panna 68 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) Great! That is another great example why those of the old continent has no chance to get good working dogs on reasonable price! Anna once you`ve got your foundation dogs why would you buy in ? start your own line .. so much shits gone overseas brought by stupid mug buyers over the years thrs probly nowt worth using an 8 yr old russell dog was sold to america a few yrs back for 10 grand a litter of 5 pups sold to sweden for 10 grand sold by big name terriermen who cashed in .. good show and work stuff could have fecthed silly money but so many of us never jumped on the band wagon I would start with bringing your attention to the absurd thing: if I can't have a good working dog than there is not much chance to have an own line. And "breeding" rubbish isn't fun at all. Neither is buying one bitch after the other to try them if they will work, if they will be the quality, etc. I started with a KC dog, he had nerve problems. Was really a disaster. Costed like 300 Euros. Castrated him (because I didn't want any more offspring with nerve problems.) and gave him away. I've spent 1 year with this dog to socialize him and try to make him a better dog. Than I decided to have a bitch from working lines and went to Germany to have a bitch, who is - though working relatively well - has a genetic issue and is closed out of breeding. 750 Euros - hooops! - out in the window. This bitch is about 2.5 years old, I was informed of her genetic issue at around the age of 1-1.5 year. I had to castrate her. Than a male bought from the GB, but as it came out later on, I was f.cked up and it has no pedigree - of none club. The dog costed 400 Euros and the shipping 300 Euros. The dog BTW has a heavy crossbite (or better saying it's like "his mouth is full of broken china"). Another 700 Euros out in the window. I hope he will at least work well, he is promising. But not for building any line upon. I'm standing to have another dogie...and hope that it will be the quality to use it and start breeding with. But as in Europe I will not get any pup (not talking about working parents!!) for less than 700 Euros. What am I, Rotschild??? Edited to write some other important thing: as MOST of the breeders breed pets they are not used to people replacing their dogs if they are not according to the cryteria. So they just do not give you another dog after you replace one...not talking about replacing more dogs. It's such a shity situation over here...I REALLY envy you all in the GB to have what you have! For your kind information, Anna Edited March 27, 2009 by Panna 1 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Great! That is another great example why those of the old continent has no chance to get good working dogs on reasonable price! Anna once you`ve got your foundation dogs why would you buy in ? start your own line .. so much shits gone overseas brought by stupid mug buyers over the years thrs probly nowt worth using an 8 yr old russell dog was sold to america a few yrs back for 10 grand a litter of 5 pups sold to sweden for 10 grand sold by big name terriermen who cashed in .. good show and work stuff could have fecthed silly money but so many of us never jumped on the band wagon wehup stig, talking about the ones that havn't jumped on the band waggon, do they only sell/give away to digging pals only, meaning, only for digging and nothing else, ie ratting etc, just a simple question, so a simple answer, jack most of mine have gone to mates who work em a couple have gone to family for pets .. Quote Link to post
wink hound 0 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 out of all the names mentioned in this thread i could pick 2 out that actually work their dogs to good standards now. you will do well to find good working russells now mate, go visist these big names and hear about the good old days, try going grafting with any of them and their dogs of present day...... you would be shocked. panna where did you get that list from? Two i mentioned still work there dogs there mad at it never said they didnt penda Winkhound, there is no need to slag off other breeders just to boost your own sales......we all know you have got plenty of puppys on and need a clear out so just say so and have a spring sale Winkhound, there is no need to slag off other breeders just to boost your own sales......we all know you have got plenty of puppys on and need a clear out so just say so and have a spring sale Yes WILF...I agree....He told me he is now charging £400 a pup because they did so well last summer. Winkhounds are the way forward, his dogs have exceptional prey-drive, a superb nose for finding and are as game as a breeze block.... He is the hardcore real deal...... Last time i spoke he told me he was down to his last 106 pups and so is thinking about having a closing down sale" where there were "Massive Reductions" and "Every pup must go"!!!! Keep fighting the good fight guys..............JD as for you two, who needs enimies when ive got stalkers like you Quote Link to post
thurso jack 3 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Great! That is another great example why those of the old continent has no chance to get good working dogs on reasonable price! Anna once you`ve got your foundation dogs why would you buy in ? start your own line .. so much shits gone overseas brought by stupid mug buyers over the years thrs probly nowt worth using an 8 yr old russell dog was sold to america a few yrs back for 10 grand a litter of 5 pups sold to sweden for 10 grand sold by big name terriermen who cashed in .. good show and work stuff could have fecthed silly money but so many of us never jumped on the band wagon I would start with bringing your attention to the absurd thing: if I can't have a good working dog than there is not much chance to have an own line. And "breeding" rubbish isn't fun at all. Neither is buying one bitch after the other to try them if they will work, if they will be the quality, etc. I started with a KC dog, he had nerve problems. Was really a disaster. Costed like 300 Euros. Castrated him (because I didn't want any more offspring with nerve problems.) and gave him away. I've spent 1 year with this dog to socialize him and try to make him a better dog. Than I decided to have a bitch from working lines and went to Germany to have a bitch, who is - though working relatively well - has a genetic issue and is closed out of breeding. 750 Euros - hooops! - out in the window. This bitch is about 2.5 years old, I was informed of her genetic issue at around the age of 1-1.5 year. I had to castrate her. Than a male bought from the GB, but as it came out later on, I was f.cked up and it has no pedigree - of none club. The dog costed 400 Euros and the shipping 300 Euros. The dog BTW has a heavy crossbite (or better saying it's like "his mouth is full of broken china"). Another 700 Euros out in the window. I hope he will at least work well, he is promising. But not for building any line upon. I'm standing to have another dogie...and hope that it will be the quality to use it and start breeding with. But as in Europe I will not get any pup (not talking about working parents!!) for less than 700 Euros. What am I, Rotschild??? Edited to write some other important thing: as MOST of the breeders breed pets they are not used to people replacing their dogs if they are not according to the cryteria. So they just do not give you another dog after you replace one...not talking about replacing more dogs. It's such a shity situation over here...I REALLY envy you all in the GB to have what you have! For your kind information, Anna anna, who sold you a dog from the uk for that money with a f****d mouth Quote Link to post
wink hound 0 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 anna was the lastest dog you got from the uk from one of the kennels mentioned? Quote Link to post
Panna 68 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 anna, who sold you a dog from the uk for that money with a f****d mouth This dogie was sold at age of aboout 6 weeks, it was impossible to know that he will have crooked teeths. Anna Quote Link to post
Guest WILF Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 When it comes to hard JRTs, Winkhound is the Cappo de tutti Capa......... Quote Link to post
Panna 68 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) anna was the lastest dog you got from the uk from one of the kennels mentioned? All the listed breeders sell pups to overseas. I don't think it has any importancy who the dog is from. If I would want to "split" on the man, I would start with puting his name when telling about the fault. But that wasn't my aim and not my type. I will not have my dog better or cheaper from such an action. I was a fool and was foolen. Best wishes, Anna Edited March 27, 2009 by Panna Quote Link to post
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