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  Swampy said:

  Foxgun Tom said:

aaah!! the union flag, a symbol of a United Kingdom a bit strange, there is no reference to Wales or Northern Ireland on it? so much for unity? it seems us Scots and English are more equal than the others?

 

Swampy say's "Nice to see people calling it the union flag and not the union jack."

 

The Union Flag, popularly known as the *Union Jack, is the national flag of the United Kingdom. It is the British flag.

 

It is called the Union Flag because it symbolises the administrative union of the countries of the United Kingdom. It was made up up of the individual Flags of three of the Kingdom's countries all united under one Sovereign - the countries of 'England, of 'Scotland' and of 'Ireland' (since 1921 only Northern Ireland has been part of the United Kingdom). As Wales was not a Kingdom but a Principality it could not be included on the flag.

 

The Tudor dynasty was descended from the Welsh adventurer Owen Tudor (c. 1400-1461). Wales had already been conquered by Edward I and the conquest was sealed with the Statute of Rhuddlan, also known as the Statute of Wales, in 1284. In the first half of the sixteenth century, under the reign of Henry VIII, acts of union were passed and Wales sent representatives to the English Parliament. After the union of the two countries Wales had no effective government and Welsh laws and administration were replaced by the English. The Welsh saw this as an annexation of their country.

 

 

The cross represented in each flag is named after the patron saint of each country: St. George, patron saint of England, St. Andrew, patron saint of Scotland and St. Patrick, patron saint of Ireland.

 

The difference in the terms Great britain and the United Kingdom:

 

Great Britain

 

Great Britain is the largest island in Europe. "Great Britain" is the collective name for the three countries of England, Scotland and Wales. It also includes the small adjacent islands but it does not include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.

 

The term "Great Britain" came into being when England and Scotland became a single kingdom under King James VI of Scotland who also became King James I of England, after the death of Queen Elizabeth I in 1603. It must be remembered, however, that this was not a political union but merely the union of the crowns of the two countries. Politically they were still two states, each with its own Parliament. Political union came about only during the reign of Queen Anne, in 1707. It was in this year that the Scottish Parliament assembled for the last time and the formal union of Parliaments was effected. It was on 1 May of that same year that the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" came into existence.

 

Under Edward I the conquest of Wales was completed and Wales was united to England under Henry VIII, the second monarch descended from the Welsh House of Tudor. This union was ratified by two Acts of Parliament in 1536 and again in 1543.

 

The adjective "British"

 

The adjective "British" is, of course, used in relation to Great Britain but there is also a common tendency to use it when referring to issues relating to both Great Britain and the United Kingdom. This is inaccurate and from a legal point of view erroneous.

 

Sometimes, however, in legislation the term "British" is used to refer to the United Kingdom as a whole, especially in matters relating to the question of nationality.

 

The United Kingdom

 

The United Kingdom is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The official name "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" came into use in 1922 after the constitution of the Irish Free State (1922-1937), the former name of the Republic of Ireland.

 

The whole of Ireland had been united to Great Britain by an Act of Parliament in 1800 and which took effect in January 1801. However, this union had never been popular in Ireland and became the target of Irish Nationalist leaders ever since. The union of the whole of Ireland with Great Britain lasted until the constitution of the Irish Free State. The Treaty that sanctioned the separation laid down that the six counties in the north should remain united to Great Britain hence constituting Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom but not part of Great Britain.

 

Therefore, the United Kingdom of Great Britain, used to indicate the political union of England, Scotland and Wales, was expanded, in the 20th century, to include Northern Ireland: the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" as it now appears on passports.

 

When speaking of the United Kingdom and its constituent parts it is important to use the correct terminology. In 1969 the Royal Commission on the Constitution was set up with the aim of examining the relation between central legislature and government on one hand and the "several countries, nations and regions of the United Kingdom" on the other. The words "countries", "nations" and "regions" reveal a certain vagueness which was eventually resolved by the Report of the Commission.

 

The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey are not part of Great Britain, they are not part of the United Kingdom and neither are they part of the European Union. They are self-governing British Crown dependencies.

 

The British Islands

 

The expression "British Islands" has been defined in the Interpretation Act 1978 as meaning the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. The Republic of Ireland is not included in this definition.

 

 

 

 

 

The British Isles

 

The expression "British Isles" is geographical and not political. They are a group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe consisting of Great Britain, the whole of Ireland, the Orkney and Shetland Islands, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Isle of Wight, the Scilly Islands, Lundy Island, the Channel Islands and many other smaller

islands.

 

Tom

 

I mentioned the Union flag as opposed to the Union jack as there is a distinct difference. Not in appearance or meaning but in the manner in which it is flown. It is only a Union jack when flown from the jack mast of a ship.

Thats All

 

 

 

Not nining but ears bleeding

 

 

With all due repect,s swampy.What history book,s have you been reading.I will tell you what catcher say,s.Fist of all it,s the union jack,Flag never heard of it.You call it a union.Then dismiss Wales just because Edward the first (The so called hammer of the Scot,s)stole the land that he had no rigth to rule over no matter what the tudor dynasty said . Then you have the gall to talk about Henry VIII.The very man who by his act,s of adultry and dismissing the rest of europe and the Pope who had right over all king,s or Queen,s at that time.What did he declare himself ?.As for 1603 anyone who know,s his history can read between the line,s Mary Queen Of Scotland.She was held in an English jail by Elizabeth .So her son could be raised as a prodestant.So they would never be a catholic on the English Crown.(And is still in law to this day 18/3/2009) As for the act of union 1707 Who had the say. The upper classes who lost all there money in the panema. crisis.They got all the money back they had lost plus ?.It was political. Now it,s Ireland (God,s Own Country) By the way it,s the only time you have got it right. Ireland 1801 was dragged into a united so called Britain BY AN ACT OF ENGLISH PARLIAMENT.Even till this day that was an unlawful act that the English goverment will not admit to.And just to to let you know i am not just talking bullshit.Where was this so called union in the 1845/1847 Famine.It is on record.In 1847 400.000 irish men woman and children died from famine relatted causes. When about 4.000 food ship,s where leaveing Ireland.In the word,s of a true irish Hero John Mitchel.Although it was the almighyt who sent the patato blight.It was England who created the Famine.If the food that was being exported form Ireland was left to feed them.There would not have been a Famine.THAT IS A FACTED.So take your union jack and stuff it.catcher

Edited March 18, 2009 by Catcher

[Swampy 147]

  Catcher said:

  Swampy said:

  Foxgun Tom said:

aaah!! the union flag, a symbol of a United Kingdom a bit strange, there is no reference to Wales or Northern Ireland on it? so much for unity? it seems us Scots and English are more equal than the others?

 

Swampy say's "Nice to see people calling it the union flag and not the union jack."

 

The Union Flag, popularly known as the *Union Jack, is the national flag of the United Kingdom. It is the British flag.

 

It is called the Union Flag because it symbolises the administrative union of the countries of the United Kingdom. It was made up up of the individual Flags of three of the Kingdom's countries all united under one Sovereign - the countries of 'England, of 'Scotland' and of 'Ireland' (since 1921 only Northern Ireland has been part of the United Kingdom). As Wales was not a Kingdom but a Principality it could not be included on the flag.

 

The Tudor dynasty was descended from the Welsh adventurer Owen Tudor (c. 1400-1461). Wales had already been conquered by Edward I and the conquest was sealed with the Statute of Rhuddlan, also known as the Statute of Wales, in 1284. In the first half of the sixteenth century, under the reign of Henry VIII, acts of union were passed and Wales sent representatives to the English Parliament. After the union of the two countries Wales had no effective government and Welsh laws and administration were replaced by the English. The Welsh saw this as an annexation of their country.

 

Whoa! Back off Catcher!

 

I said it is only called the Union Jack when it flown from the Jack mast of a ship. I think you'll find that you are having a pop at me by mistake and that your issue is with Fox Gun.

 

I know better than to get into a history argument with him. He could be talking bollox for all I know I just can't be asked to check......and I'm not that drunk ........ yet!

 

 

Swampy

 

 

Indignant Ning

 

 

The cross represented in each flag is named after the patron saint of each country: St. George, patron saint of England, St. Andrew, patron saint of Scotland and St. Patrick, patron saint of Ireland.

 

The difference in the terms Great britain and the United Kingdom:

 

Great Britain

 

Great Britain is the largest island in Europe. "Great Britain" is the collective name for the three countries of England, Scotland and Wales. It also includes the small adjacent islands but it does not include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.

 

The term "Great Britain" came into being when England and Scotland became a single kingdom under King James VI of Scotland who also became King James I of England, after the death of Queen Elizabeth I in 1603. It must be remembered, however, that this was not a political union but merely the union of the crowns of the two countries. Politically they were still two states, each with its own Parliament. Political union came about only during the reign of Queen Anne, in 1707. It was in this year that the Scottish Parliament assembled for the last time and the formal union of Parliaments was effected. It was on 1 May of that same year that the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" came into existence.

 

Under Edward I the conquest of Wales was completed and Wales was united to England under Henry VIII, the second monarch descended from the Welsh House of Tudor. This union was ratified by two Acts of Parliament in 1536 and again in 1543.

 

The adjective "British"

 

The adjective "British" is, of course, used in relation to Great Britain but there is also a common tendency to use it when referring to issues relating to both Great Britain and the United Kingdom. This is inaccurate and from a legal point of view erroneous.

 

Sometimes, however, in legislation the term "British" is used to refer to the United Kingdom as a whole, especially in matters relating to the question of nationality.

 

The United Kingdom

 

The United Kingdom is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The official name "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" came into use in 1922 after the constitution of the Irish Free State (1922-1937), the former name of the Republic of Ireland.

 

The whole of Ireland had been united to Great Britain by an Act of Parliament in 1800 and which took effect in January 1801. However, this union had never been popular in Ireland and became the target of Irish Nationalist leaders ever since. The union of the whole of Ireland with Great Britain lasted until the constitution of the Irish Free State. The Treaty that sanctioned the separation laid down that the six counties in the north should remain united to Great Britain hence constituting Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom but not part of Great Britain.

 

Therefore, the United Kingdom of Great Britain, used to indicate the political union of England, Scotland and Wales, was expanded, in the 20th century, to include Northern Ireland: the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" as it now appears on passports.

 

When speaking of the United Kingdom and its constituent parts it is important to use the correct terminology. In 1969 the Royal Commission on the Constitution was set up with the aim of examining the relation between central legislature and government on one hand and the "several countries, nations and regions of the United Kingdom" on the other. The words "countries", "nations" and "regions" reveal a certain vagueness which was eventually resolved by the Report of the Commission.

 

The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey are not part of Great Britain, they are not part of the United Kingdom and neither are they part of the European Union. They are self-governing British Crown dependencies.

 

The British Islands

 

The expression "British Islands" has been defined in the Interpretation Act 1978 as meaning the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. The Republic of Ireland is not included in this definition.

 

 

 

 

 

The British Isles

 

The expression "British Isles" is geographical and not political. They are a group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe consisting of Great Britain, the whole of Ireland, the Orkney and Shetland Islands, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Isle of Wight, the Scilly Islands, Lundy Island, the Channel Islands and many other smaller

islands.

 

Tom

 

I mentioned the Union flag as opposed to the Union jack as there is a distinct difference. Not in appearance or meaning but in the manner in which it is flown. It is only a Union jack when flown from the jack mast of a ship.

Thats All

 

 

 

Not nining but ears bleeding

 

 

With all due repect,s swampy.What history book,s have you been reading.I will tell you what catcher say,s.Fist of all it,s the union jack,Flag never heard of it.You call it a union.Then dismiss Wales just because Edward the first (The so called hammer of the Scot,s)stole the land that he had no rigth to rule over no matter what the tudor dynasty said . Then you have the gall to talk about Henry VIII.The very man who by his act,s of adultry and dismissing the rest of europe and the Pope who had right over all king,s or Queen,s at that time.What did he declare himself ?.As for 1603 anyone who know,s his history can read between the line,s Mary Queen Of Scotland.She was held in an English jail by Elizabeth .So her son could be raised as a prodestant.So they would never be a catholic on the English Crown.(And is still in law to this day 18/3/2009) As for the act of union 1707 Who had the say. The upper classes who lost all there money in the panema. crisis.They got all the money back they had lost plus ?.It was political. Now it,s Ireland (God,s Own Country) By the way it,s the only time you have got it right. Ireland 1801 was dragged into a united so called Britain BY AN ACT OF ENGLISH PARLIAMENT.Even till this day that was an unlawful act that the English goverment will not admit to.And just to to let you know i am not just talking bullshit.Where was this so called union in the 1845/1847 Famine.It is on record.In 1847 400.000 irish men woman and children died from famine relatted causes. When about 4.000 food ship,s where leaveing Ireland.In the word,s of a true irish Hero John Mitchel.Although it was the almighyt who sent the patato blight.It was England who created the Famine.If the food that was being exported form Ireland was left to feed them.There would not have been a Famine.THAT IS A FACTED.So take your union jack and stuff it.catcher

[Swampy 147]

Threads definately getting crossed here!

 

 

Ning

[Guest Catcher]

  Swampy said:

Threads definately getting crossed here!

 

 

Ning

 

 

Just stating fact swampy

Edited March 18, 2009 by Catcher

[Guest Catcher]

  Catcher said:

  Swampy said:

Threads definately getting crossed here!

 

 

Ning

 

 

Just stating fact swampy

 

 

Hi swampy may have got you mixed with Foxgun tom if so sorry .catcher

[Guest Catcher]

  Swampy said:

  Catcher said:

  Swampy said:

  Foxgun Tom said:

aaah!! the union flag, a symbol of a United Kingdom a bit strange, there is no reference to Wales or Northern Ireland on it? so much for unity? it seems us Scots and English are more equal than the others?

 

Swampy say's "Nice to see people calling it the union flag and not the union jack."

 

The Union Flag, popularly known as the *Union Jack, is the national flag of the United Kingdom. It is the British flag.

 

It is called the Union Flag because it symbolises the administrative union of the countries of the United Kingdom. It was made up up of the individual Flags of three of the Kingdom's countries all united under one Sovereign - the countries of 'England, of 'Scotland' and of 'Ireland' (since 1921 only Northern Ireland has been part of the United Kingdom). As Wales was not a Kingdom but a Principality it could not be included on the flag.

 

The Tudor dynasty was descended from the Welsh adventurer Owen Tudor (c. 1400-1461). Wales had already been conquered by Edward I and the conquest was sealed with the Statute of Rhuddlan, also known as the Statute of Wales, in 1284. In the first half of the sixteenth century, under the reign of Henry VIII, acts of union were passed and Wales sent representatives to the English Parliament. After the union of the two countries Wales had no effective government and Welsh laws and administration were replaced by the English. The Welsh saw this as an annexation of their country.

 

Whoa! Back off Catcher!

 

I said it is only called the Union Jack when it flown from the Jack mast of a ship. I think you'll find that you are having a pop at me by mistake and that your issue is with Fox Gun.

 

I know better than to get into a history argument with him. He could be talking bollox for all I know I just can't be asked to check......and I'm not that drunk ........ yet!

 

 

Swampy

 

 

Indignant Ning

 

 

The cross represented in each flag is named after the patron saint of each country: St. George, patron saint of England, St. Andrew, patron saint of Scotland and St. Patrick, patron saint of Ireland.

 

The difference in the terms Great britain and the United Kingdom:

 

Great Britain

 

Great Britain is the largest island in Europe. "Great Britain" is the collective name for the three countries of England, Scotland and Wales. It also includes the small adjacent islands but it does not include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.

 

The term "Great Britain" came into being when England and Scotland became a single kingdom under King James VI of Scotland who also became King James I of England, after the death of Queen Elizabeth I in 1603. It must be remembered, however, that this was not a political union but merely the union of the crowns of the two countries. Politically they were still two states, each with its own Parliament. Political union came about only during the reign of Queen Anne, in 1707. It was in this year that the Scottish Parliament assembled for the last time and the formal union of Parliaments was effected. It was on 1 May of that same year that the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" came into existence.

 

Under Edward I the conquest of Wales was completed and Wales was united to England under Henry VIII, the second monarch descended from the Welsh House of Tudor. This union was ratified by two Acts of Parliament in 1536 and again in 1543.

 

The adjective "British"

 

The adjective "British" is, of course, used in relation to Great Britain but there is also a common tendency to use it when referring to issues relating to both Great Britain and the United Kingdom. This is inaccurate and from a legal point of view erroneous.

 

Sometimes, however, in legislation the term "British" is used to refer to the United Kingdom as a whole, especially in matters relating to the question of nationality.

 

The United Kingdom

 

The United Kingdom is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The official name "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" came into use in 1922 after the constitution of the Irish Free State (1922-1937), the former name of the Republic of Ireland.

 

The whole of Ireland had been united to Great Britain by an Act of Parliament in 1800 and which took effect in January 1801. However, this union had never been popular in Ireland and became the target of Irish Nationalist leaders ever since. The union of the whole of Ireland with Great Britain lasted until the constitution of the Irish Free State. The Treaty that sanctioned the separation laid down that the six counties in the north should remain united to Great Britain hence constituting Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom but not part of Great Britain.

 

Therefore, the United Kingdom of Great Britain, used to indicate the political union of England, Scotland and Wales, was expanded, in the 20th century, to include Northern Ireland: the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" as it now appears on passports.

 

When speaking of the United Kingdom and its constituent parts it is important to use the correct terminology. In 1969 the Royal Commission on the Constitution was set up with the aim of examining the relation between central legislature and government on one hand and the "several countries, nations and regions of the United Kingdom" on the other. The words "countries", "nations" and "regions" reveal a certain vagueness which was eventually resolved by the Report of the Commission.

 

The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey are not part of Great Britain, they are not part of the United Kingdom and neither are they part of the European Union. They are self-governing British Crown dependencies.

 

The British Islands

 

The expression "British Islands" has been defined in the Interpretation Act 1978 as meaning the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. The Republic of Ireland is not included in this definition.

 

 

 

 

 

The British Isles

 

The expression "British Isles" is geographical and not political. They are a group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe consisting of Great Britain, the whole of Ireland, the Orkney and Shetland Islands, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Isle of Wight, the Scilly Islands, Lundy Island, the Channel Islands and many other smaller

islands.

 

Tom

 

I mentioned the Union flag as opposed to the Union jack as there is a distinct difference. Not in appearance or meaning but in the manner in which it is flown. It is only a Union jack when flown from the jack mast of a ship.

Thats All

 

 

 

Not nining but ears bleeding

 

 

With all due repect,s BAWBAG.What history book,s have you been reading.I will tell you what catcher say,s.Fist of all it,s the union jack,Flag never heard of it.You call it a union.Then dismiss Wales just because Edward the first (The so called hammer of the Scot,s)stole the land that he had no rigth to rule over no matter what the tudor dynasty said . Then you have the gall to talk about Henry VIII.The very man who by his act,s of adultry and dismissing the rest of europe and the Pope who had right over all king,s or Queen,s at that time.What did he declare himself ?.As for 1603 anyone who know,s his history can read between the line,s Mary Queen Of Scotland.She was held in an English jail by Elizabeth .So her son could be raised as a prodestant.So they would never be a catholic on the English Crown.(And is still in law to this day 18/3/2009) As for the act of union 1707 Who had the say. The upper classes who lost all there money in the panema. crisis.They got all the money back they had lost plus ?.It was political. Now it,s Ireland (God,s Own Country) By the way it,s the only time you have got it right. Ireland 1801 was dragged into a united so called Britain BY AN ACT OF ENGLISH PARLIAMENT.Even till this day that was an unlawful act that the English goverment will not admit to.And just to to let you know i am not just talking bullshit.Where was this so called union in the 1845/1847 Famine.It is on record.In 1847 400.000 irish men woman and children died from famine relatted causes. When about 4.000 food ship,s where leaveing Ireland.In the word,s of a true irish Hero John Mitchel.Although it was the almighyt who sent the patato blight.It was England who created the Famine.If the food that was being exported form Ireland was left to feed them.There would not have been a Famine.THAT IS A FACTED.So take your union jack and stuff it.catcher

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Catcher

 

The history books I've been reading and read are the definitive ones! Henry 8th was given the title Defender of the Faith by the Pope and then kicked him in the goolies by getting rid of the catholic church in England and Wales I also certainly did not dismiss Wales in any shape or form it has a proud history and culture like Scotland The British government even today give equal footing to the Welsh language with English but not Scots Gaelic which they don't recognise and don't have plans to do so? You seem to think I support the Union or am defending it "I most certainly am not!!" I believe Scotlands future lies with a Scottish Government not a British one. Also please don't anyone think or bring up the old chestnut that all Scots Nats are anti- English because were' not I've said many times most of my closest friends are English, I love the country and its people and visit as often as I can. I can also see a strong case for English Nationalism

As for the non-succesion of Catholics to the British crown I'm with you on that one its an appalling situation and one that needs to be remedied (the Scottish Government have allready made representations to Westminster asking for change )My ancestors/clan fought in both the 1715 and 1745 rebellions in support of the catholic claiment to the British crown my Clan "Camerons" were protestant!! read the rest of my posts in this thread I don't bear alliance to the Union flag, my allegiance is to my home country Scotland and its flag!!!!!!!!!! Scottish first, British a long way behind. As for "the Act of Union 1707" Burns got it right A nation sold by a parcel of rogues" A small band of individuals sold Scottish nationhood for their own financial gain in a dingy outbuilding in Edinburgh, History books don't mention the depth of feeling, the rioting and disgust of the ordinary Scots of the time. The Act of Union was without the consent of the Scottish people! and should have been invalid Its a queer old quirk of history in the "Declaration of Arbroath 6th April 1320" The Scots made it clear what they would do if a Scottish king betrayed them:

 

Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King;

 

The people who betrayed the Scots and nationhood were a bunch of greedy financiers and bankers who decieded the people had no rights?

 

Tom

Edited March 18, 2009 by Foxgun Tom

[Guest Catcher]

  Foxgun Tom said:

Catcher

 

The history books I've been reading and read are the definitive ones! Henry 8th was given the title Defender of the Faith by the Pope and then kicked him in the goolies by getting rid of the catholic church in England and Wales I also certainly did not dismiss Wales in any shape or form it has a proud history and culture like Scotland The British government even today give equal footing to the Welsh language with English but not Scots Gaelic which they don't recognise and don't have plans to do so?

 

As for the non-succesion of Catholics to the British crown I'm with you on that one its an appalling situation and one that needs to be remedied (the Scottish Government have allready made representations to Westminster asking for change )My ancestors/clan fought in both the 1715 and 1745 rebellions in support of the catholic claiment to the British crown my Clan "Camerons" were protestant!! read the rest of my posts in this thread I don't bear alliance to the Union flag, my allegiance is to my home country Scotland and its flag!!!!!!!!!! Scottish first, British a long way behind. As for "the Act of Union 1707" Burns got it right A nation sold by a parcel of rogues" A small band of individuals sold Scottish nationhood for their own financial gain in a dingy outbuilding in Edinburgh, History books don't mention the depth of feeling, the rioting and disgust of the ordinary Scots of the time. The Act of Union was without the consent of the Scottish people! and should have been invalid Its a queer old quirk of history in the "Declaration of Arbroath 6th April 1320" The Scots made it clear what they would do if a Scottish king betrayed them:

 

Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King;

 

The people who betrayed the Scots and nationhood were a bunch of greedy financiers and bankers who decieded the people had no rights?

 

Tom

 

No disagreement all the best catcher. P.S My three grandson,s are English.

Edited March 18, 2009 by Catcher

[droid 11]

  Catcher said:

mine.It is on record.In 1847 400.000 irish men woman and children died from famine relatted causes. When about 4.000 food ship,s where leaveing Ireland.In the word,s of a true irish Hero John Mitchel.Although it was the almighyt who sent the patato blight.It was England who created the Famine.If the food that was being exported form Ireland was left to feed them.There would not have been a Famine.THAT IS A FACTED.So take your union jack and stuff it.catcher

 

From a biological point of view, the Potato Famine could have been largely avoided if the Blight damaged potatoes had been left in the ground. Potato Blight kills off the leaves. It damages the tubers slightly, but what caused the problems was the farmers (quite understandably) digging up the tubers and clamping them. They then rotted.

If they'd have been left, most would have survived, and although the yield would have been less, and there would have been problems, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as it was.

 

Sorry to go off at a tangent.

[Guest Catcher]

  droid said:

  Catcher said:

mine.It is on record.In 1847 400.000 irish men woman and children died from famine relatted causes. When about 4.000 food ship,s where leaveing Ireland.In the word,s of a true irish Hero John Mitchel.Although it was the almighyt who sent the patato blight.It was England who created the Famine.If the food that was being exported form Ireland was left to feed them.There would not have been a Famine.THAT IS A FACTED.So take your union jack and stuff it.catcher

 

From a biological point of view, the Potato Famine could have been largely avoided if the Blight damaged potatoes had been left in the ground. Potato Blight kills off the leaves. It damages the tubers slightly, but what caused the problems was the farmers (quite understandably) digging up the tubers and clamping them. They then rotted.

If they'd have been left, most would have survived, and although the yield would have been less, and there would have been problems, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as it was.

 

Sorry to go off at a tangent.

 

Hi mate are you for real. A biological point of view.Most of these people had a small croft With all due repect you dont know what you are talking about.This is about what the so called goverment at the time did to help them.If you dont know i will tell you f**k all.About one millon died and another two had to leave there homeland.to prevent them from dieing with the rest.In the so called British Nation of 1801.Do you think that would have been allowed to happen in England.Food shiped out when people are dieing of hunger.If you want to learn about it listen to Celtic,s anthem.atb catcher.

[droid 11]

Yes, mate I am for real. And as far as the biology goes, I DO know what I'm talking about.

 

The Potato Famine was a disaster caused by a biological phenomenon, compounded by (understandable) ignorance, and sheer bloody callousness and uncaring.

 

So there's no argument there.

[BenBhoy 4,706]

as tom see's himself as a scot i see myself as welsh Cymro and would never class myself british. i'm not anti british or anti english but i'd never put my life on the line for a country which doesn't represent my homeland on it's flag. yes i have nationalistic beliefs and i'd love for wales to gain independence from britain. maybe then i'd sign up and put my life on the line for MY country.