gonetoearth 5,144 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 7 years RN 2 years MN deep sea Ahoy shipwreck,6 yrs RN AB(radar) 90-96 good times, bit before your time poppeye 72 78 stocker Steam ships me harty was on the ENDURANCE,FEARLESS old navy,not like these turbine ships i was on later NEWCASTLE & YORK... THE OLD FEARLESS IS IN DOCK NOW GETTING BROKE UP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cotswold 0 Posted March 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Charlpolski, I've sent you a PM. ATB, Cotswold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ESS Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Right, there seems to be a certain exposition of views upon the state of the nation. Some people express views that are supposedly in the best interests of this country, and presume that they have the authority to alter the national flag. The Union Flag has served us for 300 years, yet some people think that they have a greater authority than the Crown to alter it. There have been a few posts here that have served nothing other than playing into the hands of the opposition, and plenty that would provide any un-sympathetic parties with loads of ammo. My question is, how many of the people who have expressed nationalistic views have actually done anything to serve this country? OPSEC withstanding, what's your credentials? Me: First three 249......... Banner (loads of times), Desert Storm, Palatine, Agricola, Barras, Veritas/Herrick (loads), Telic (yawn). ATB, Cotswold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ESS Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) Right, there seems to be a certain exposition of views upon the state of the nation. Some people express views that are supposedly in the best interests of this country, and presume that they have the authority to alter the national flag. The Union Flag has served us for 300 years, yet some people think that they have a greater authority than the Crown to alter it. There have been a few posts here that have served nothing other than playing into the hands of the opposition, and plenty that would provide any un-sympathetic parties with loads of ammo. My question is, how many of the people who have expressed nationalistic views have actually done anything to serve this country? OPSEC withstanding, what's your credentials? Me: First three 249......... Banner (loads of times), Desert Storm, Palatine, Agricola, Barras, Veritas/Herrick (loads), Telic (yawn). ATB, Cotswold If you pay your taxes ,law abiding dont have a begging bowl out to the state make your own way in this country by hard work youve got all the crendentials you will ever need,whatever race or religion or sexuality Not just the people who have seved in the forces have spilt blood too make this country what is was,the problem is that this Island people for once are seeing the changes,the erosion of a way of life, the fingers of the state in every aspect ,the erosion of of our right to say what is happening to this country is wrong, without being pilloried as a racist..Change is a good thing as long as it is gradual and harmonious not forced down our throats . Edited March 14, 2009 by ESS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cotswold 0 Posted March 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 ESS, That's an interesting and succinct response. People contribute to the greater good in all manner of ways, that was my CV and I'm not saying that it is any better or more valid than anyone elses. I have the utmost respect for anyone who works in the front line of the NHS. The guys who empty the bins and sweep the streets are just as important. We're all necessary cogs in the machine. Regarding what you say about the intrusion of the state is spot on and that is probably the biggest threat that we are faced with. Regarding the speed of change do you think that it is any greater than before, or is it the massive upsurge in available media that is making it seem quicker? (and because of this people becoming more, but not necessarily better, informed). What about the juxtaposition of the last 2 points? ATB, Cotswold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,217 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Seems a bit of a daft question to me....its like telling folk they cant have views on their footie team unless they have played for them !!....debate would come to a standstill if that was the case.....conversation about football and politics are probably the most talked about topics amongst men in the workplace or anywhere else for that matter.....discussing an opinion dont make you an armchair politician its just discussing an opinion nothing more nothing less and surely as english tax paying people we are entitled to do that it dont make you an expert or thinking you can change the world. Anyway ive met plenty of ex services chaps who had a lot less pride than me in their country after all said and done its only a career....as for the racial thing.....ive said for many years now,theres only so long people will stand with one hand covering their mouth until natural instinct takes over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ESS Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) ESS, That's an interesting and succinct response. People contribute to the greater good in all manner of ways, that was my CV and I'm not saying that it is any better or more valid than anyone elses. I have the utmost respect for anyone who works in the front line of the NHS. The guys who empty the bins and sweep the streets are just as important. We're all necessary cogs in the machine. Regarding what you say about the intrusion of the state is spot on and that is probably the biggest threat that we are faced with. Regarding the speed of change do you think that it is any greater than before, or is it the massive upsurge in available media that is making it seem quicker? (and because of this people becoming more, but not necessarily better, informed). What about the juxtaposition of the last 2 points? ATB, I am natural cynic of anything which I am told is good or bad for me.The media has a part too play ,never before have we had so much information,and to point instead of giving us freedom it increases our fears.If your fed a medium which increases your sense of insecurity you will become less secure.If you are giving more and more information you will become overwhelmed and unable to make a decision without clarity.If you have the power to control the media you have power to influence the masses. If you have a different opinion or thought or say the emperor is wearing new clothes you are ostracised as a nut a maverick. Ill give you examples..of fear Climate change. Agenda.. centralisation control taxation Regards Steve Cotswold Edited March 14, 2009 by ESS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Couldn't join the army due to past medical history, passed recruit selection with flying colours, but got pulled aside at the last minute & sent for a specialist medical. My brother has served, as well as 3 of my cousins, who between them served in Kosovo, Iraq & Affie. Now, about the OP. Are you trying to say that if you haven't served your country, you're not entitled to have a view? If so, then I'm afraid you're very much mistaken. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ESS Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I am natural cynic of anything which I am told is good or bad for me.The media has a part too play ,never before have we had so much information,and to point instead of giving us freedom it increases our fears.If your fed a medium which increases your sense of insecurity you will become less secure.If you are giving more and more information you will become overwhelmed and unable to make a decision without clarity.If you have the power to control the media you have power to influence the masses. If you have a different opinion or thought or say the emperor is wearing new clothes you are ostracised as a nut a maverick. Ill give you examples..of fear Climate change. Agenda.. centralisation control taxation Regards Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buster321c Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Right, not familiar with what chartpolski is on about, but hope that there can be some sensible discourse. What have people actually done, especially those who have entered into the racial thing? Doesn't have to be that hard, does it? ATB, Cotswold So what / who was the post that sparked this question ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad al 146 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Did a bit right up t0 1988, very busy around the early 's when all of a sudden, folk who didn't fancy a long boat trip did a runner , the last few years was weapons testing and playing with nuclear flasks, almost forgot, involved in insurance claims against the US after the Vietnamn thing when most of the troops who actually made it home were "mutt & jeff" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cotswold 0 Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I am natural cynic of anything which I am told is good or bad for me.The media has a part too play ,never before have we had so much information,and to point instead of giving us freedom it increases our fears.If your fed a medium which increases your sense of insecurity you will become less secure.If you are giving more and more information you will become overwhelmed and unable to make a decision without clarity.If you have the power to control the media you have power to influence the masses. If you have a different opinion or thought or say the emperor is wearing new clothes you are ostracised as a nut a maverick. Ill give you examples..of fear Climate change. Agenda.. centralisation control taxation Regards Steve Spot on, mate. The guys homecoming parade that was 'disrupted' in Luton by a very small bunch of people and that was over-publicised by the gutter press, who got the reaction that they needed. The Lancers (obviously all homo's, by the way, ) paraded today withpout incident. Hopefully the debacle from the anti-war people earlier this week reminded them of the stupidity/futility of what they did. That sounds like an outbreak of common-sense. I've worked for the machine, and there are a lot of things that I regret, but I know that people would be better placed fearing this government rather than the immigrant community. Also, I say that people should take advantage of ALL of the information that they can obtain before coming to an opinion. The Internet is great, but it is also totally non-edited, and some people really do need to be cautious with acquiring information and should seek at least a couple of separate sources to verify things.. gansher16: read from the top, mate, and (effectively) please don't mis-quote me . ATB, Cotswold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,217 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 My question is, how many of the people who have expressed nationalistic views have actually done anything to serve this country? Cotswold [/quote Misquote ?....you wrote it,i read it.....its not complicated. Anyway forget it mate lifes too short. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cotswold 0 Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 gnash, OK by serve I should have said 'done anything for'. And, yes, life is too short. ATB, Cotswold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WILF Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) What an interesting post..........I was born and raised in the melting pot they call London, lived there in the time of the Brixton riots, seen how the coloured section of out population live.......... I would say me and those like me who have been raised in citys across the country that have a diverse multicultural population are the very best qualified to comment on racial issues........better than someone who has lived there whole life in the sticks and hardly ever seen a person from a non white ethnic background, wouldnt you agree? Many serve in our armed forces across the world, but you must remember, the army is a very protected and closed shop..........sure you go out on patrol or whatever and see different people from all walks of life, but at the end of the day you go back to base.........your not walking down the high street at midnight in Elephant & Castle wondering if the gang of brothers on the other side of the road are going to stab you just for the hell of it. The Army takes care of you.........I am no way detracting from the brave and dangerous work our forces caryy out day after day, just saying the it bares no relation to life on the street living in say a high gun crime district of Birmingham or someplace like it. Those who live with it day in and day out are the very best qualified to comment. And before anyone reads something into this post thats not there, I just want to say that I have black friends, Gay friends, Chinese friends, Indian friends.........I am also a realist. Edited March 15, 2009 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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