pics of jagdterriers

[Nino (Italy) 13]

Can I post videos here????

 

 

training on badgers and foxes (legally in Ex-Yugoslavia)

Edited March 15, 2009 by Nino (Italy)

[go2ground 152]

Can I post videos here????

I had not posted any video until this morning. I used this link to sign up and upload the file. It was very easy to do.

http://photobucket.com/

[Nino (Italy) 13]

I find it on Youtube,are all videos of Ex-Yugoslavia:

 

Lisica=Fox

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ixVOJx9e-I...re=channel_page

 

Jazavacu=Brock

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Ki4I4kuoQ...re=channel_page

 

 

this is all menu (are more than videos!!):Click for all videos

[mart 131]

have to admit that i think that foxvideo you put up is pretty discusting.

now you can call me an anti as much as you like but why do you want your dogs to do that?

what ever happend to respecting the quarry?

 

i decided not to get a jagd because its the only terrier i know of that on a regular basis(in norway) gets killed by fox and badger.

two last year that i heard of, by trying to pull stunts like the ones in the video.

its probably not a problem in an artificial earth like that, but in real life it is obviously not the best strategy.

 

and you british lads, what is it you think the jagds can ad to or do better than the dogs you already have in england?

[OldNog 432]

have to admit that i think that foxvideo you put up is pretty discusting.

now you can call me an anti as much as you like but why do you want your dogs to do that?

what ever happend to respecting the quarry?

 

i decided not to get a jagd because its the only terrier i know of that on a regular basis(in norway) gets killed by fox and badger.

two last year that i heard of, by trying to pull stunts like the ones in the video.

its probably not a problem in an artificial earth like that, but in real life it is obviously not the best strategy.

 

and you british lads, what is it you think the jagds can ad to or do better than the dogs you already have in england?

 

Iv got to agree with you there, im not quite sure what the point of that exercise is what so ever. Is not like its going to be using its nose much seeing as its pretty much a straight course round.

 

I dont really see the need for the Jagd here in the UK, we have our own types that are perfect for the job.

 

Each to their own thouhg

[mouse 282]

cannot see any point in doing that with dogs and as for respect for your quarry then that is well out of order..cannot see them dogs lasting long over here when they may have to be below ground for many hours with quarry.we have dogs over here that have the breeding going back a long way to to do the job and do it well.have i not read somewhere that more than one dog is entered at a time in these european countries.surely that is no test for a dog.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

I do think putting them in like that is all too easy for the dog, they haven't got to dig on, they haven't even got to find their quarry, all they've got to do is move on up and its there in front of them, so it is no real true challenge for the terrier, BUT I would say that it would probably be alright to introduce a young terrier to, just to see how keen they are and or to see how they'll work (bay, mix etc).

 

As for what I've seen of the Jagds, I like the look of them, some of them seem real keen, but I don't see what they do what a well bred native breed over here can't do underground.

 

I've spoke to an American who work a mix of Russells, Patts and Jagds and he said there isn't that great deal of a difference between the ones he's worked other than the Jagd's he's seen tend to have a bit of a thicker skin to them, apparently.

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A jagd terrier is just a mix of english terriers, lakies, patts etc.........

Edited March 16, 2009 by reload

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

A jagd terrier is just a mix of english terriers, lakies, patts etc.........

 

I think that goes for quite a few of the American dogs as well don't it? Wasn't the American PitBull terrier bred from English dogs that were taken over there generations ago? Same with their bulldogs they were bred out of original British dogs as well weren't they?

 

The credit has to go to the lads that created the breed though, so fair play to them I say .

[Panna 68]

I do think putting them in like that is all too easy for the dog, they haven't got to dig on, they haven't even got to find their quarry, all they've got to do is move on up and its there in front of them, so it is no real true challenge for the terrier, BUT I would say that it would probably be alright to introduce a young terrier to, just to see how keen they are and or to see how they'll work (bay, mix etc).

 

I think this method is only for introducing a young terrier to the quarry and check what type of work it will do (if any). We (those I know and work with) use artificial dens only for that reason. Using artificial dens for "everyday life" - even for adults IMO is not only aimless, it is even bad for the terrier - teaching him something he will be wrong to use in an artificial den.

Another mistake I see when a dog is "used" to artificial den: it will allways wait for his human to open the door and take him out after some minutes.

 

As for what I've seen of the Jagds, I like the look of them, some of them seem real keen, but I don't see what they do what a well bred native breed over here can't do underground.

 

I've spoke to an American who work a mix of Russells, Patts and Jagds and he said there isn't that great deal of a difference between the ones he's worked other than the Jagd's he's seen tend to have a bit of a thicker skin to them, apparently.

 

 

I think the Jagd differs in other breeds in the very strong selection and that they MUST deal with the quarry, no matter what. I know and heared of quite some terrierman / hunters who take different type of dogs with them in order to have the quarry. The Jagd terrier is an allrounder. It will bring you the quarry no matter what.

 

In our group we also have several types of terriers. I myself have a (mostly) bay to bolt PJRT. If it doesn't succeed, we send the Patterdale terrier, it also mixes sometimes, but gets tired relatively soon. If nothing works, we then send the Jagd terrier - and then we have the quarry.

Why not start then with a Jagd? Because we also like bolting and we do not wish to the quarry to be demaged.

 

I have read someone wrote that it is an intelligent breed. I think he could not be more mistaken. The Jagd does not use his brains, it goes and makes it's work, mostly destroys. Doesn't ask, doesn't think. Like most of the german breeds: it goes and makes what it needs to do.

 

I think the Jagd does differ from the British terriers and it has no show line (like EVERY other British terrier breed), it has no "pet quality".

 

And I also think it would not be so popular if it was not so good.

 

 

 

Just my 5 Cents.

 

 

Anna

Edited March 16, 2009 by Panna

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I think you will find quite a few show ponys on the continent, and some that do this also.....same as any breed of mut theres always someone who wants to just show them.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6zusj_ja...monde-d_animals

 

I was talking to a frend of mine at a kennels in france, and they were talking about working tests, but they were working sanglier (boar) thats no test of a terrier in my book, it has to go to ground.....

Its still impressive stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWEs83x4kg...PL&index=61

Edited March 16, 2009 by reload

[Panna 68]

I think you will find quite a few show ponys on the continent, and some that do this also.....same as any breed of mut theres always someone who wants to just show them.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6zusj_ja...monde-d_animals

 

It's nothing comparing to those that work their dogs and breed working dogs - and I'm not sure at all that those dogs are not worked too.

 

 

Anna

[Guest reload]

I think you will find quite a few show ponys on the continent, and some that do this also.....same as any breed of mut theres always someone who wants to just show them.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6zusj_ja...monde-d_animals

 

It's nothing comparing to those that work their dogs and breed working dogs - and I'm not sure at all that those dogs are not worked too.

 

 

Anna

 

quite possible........

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

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In our group we also have several types of terriers. I myself have a (mostly) bay to bolt PJRT. If it doesn't succeed, we send the Patterdale terrier, it also mixes sometimes, but gets tired relatively soon. If nothing works, we then send the Jagd terrier

 

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Anna

 

Sorry Anna but if the Parsons or the Patt do not succeed then why have you not got rid of them? If they consistently fail you then they shouldn't be used at all. It sounds to me that you must be using terriers that are not up to the task if you have to revert to another dog to do the job.

 

There's a fair share of terriers that wont make the grade what ever the breed and where ever they're from, but you must not have a quality Patterdale over there if the ones over there get tired quick.

 

I'm not trying to say our native breeds are better, I'm just saying from what I've seen of these videos of Jagd's that they do not do anything that a well bred terrier from over here couldn't or can't do underground.

 

Going off what you've said Anna you must not be using a very good Patt if it gets tired relatively soon and really you shouldn't pass judgment on a breed as a whole because of this IMO.

 

JMHO.

[Panna 68]

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In our group we also have several types of terriers. I myself have a (mostly) bay to bolt PJRT. If it doesn't succeed, we send the Patterdale terrier, it also mixes sometimes, but gets tired relatively soon. If nothing works, we then send the Jagd terrier

 

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Anna

 

Sorry Anna but if the Parsons or the Patt do not succeed then why have you not got rid of them? If they consistently fail you then they shouldn't be used at all. It sounds to me that you must be using terriers that are not up to the task if you have to revert to another dog to do the job.

 

There's a fair share of terriers that wont make the grade what ever the breed and where ever they're from, but you must not have a quality Patterdale over there if the ones over there get tired quick.

 

I'm not trying to say our native breeds are better, I'm just saying from what I've seen of these videos of Jagd's that they do not do anything that a well bred terrier from over here couldn't or can't do underground.

 

Going off what you've said Anna you must not be using a very good Patt if it gets tired relatively soon and really you shouldn't pass judgment on a breed as a whole because of this IMO.

 

JMHO.

 

 

Sure it is very hard to "argue" when one of the parties lack of information.

And right at the beginning I must write: I only talk about work underground.

 

As for the Patter getting tired relatively soon means she gets tired after about 2-3 hours. Which is not enough on a whole hunting day, I think you agree. (And please take into consideration that we are still may hunt for badger.)

 

You might have missunderstand me: they do not consistantly fail! There are quarries and conditions in which their works doesn't bring the neccessairy result.

If a PJRT that is mostly a bay to bolt type can not deal with a fox that doesn't want to bolt I can understand: she is not for that. The Brits have found a terrier for each and every type / phase of work. Only for one which this type is the best. Another of my PJRTs advantage is her size and her voice. She is quite on the small side (under 12") and she works with hard voice. 99% of the Jagd terriers can not fit to those conditions. But, the Germans have created a terrier which fits to every type of job and quarry.

But I may not be "enough evident" for you, you may ask 1001 Professional Terrierman in England (or Hunters / Gamekeepers in other countries) why using more type of terriers and bay to bolt dogs amongst them. They will surely tell you a better and reasonable answer.

 

Each and every breed/type has its own advantages and disadvantages. While the PJRT and the Patter are useful almost each and every weekend, a Jagd goes to 2-3 weeks of "pension" after a working day. But it's only one thing of the many. Everyone is free to choose the one he likes.

 

 

Send my best wishes,

 

 

Anna