patterdale a show dog a worker ???

[pickaxe 23]

the Europeans taking on the USA breed standard, which was written by B.Nuttall, but when i talked to him they had changed the size, as he had said from 11-15" ..he didn't keep anything over 13" and the weight is a bit light for me at 10-17 pound...but this is now Gospel outside the UK, i was chatting with some American terriermen about size for one thing they do need smaller terrier for ground work , one said to me it seems the uk dogs are getting bigger ...i said i didn't think so , so he quoted the Nuttall standard to me , now its hard to explain to them there are loads of people breeding good black red and choc dogs in the uk and always has been,to them its based on names in books and mags for them ....

 

 

 

and as i told them, what if they had asked Gould, Park, Brightmoor, Stacy, Steven's ect..it would be at least as many standards but only working them do you get the right standard to small can't do much when they get there to big and they can't get ...some only ever dig vixens and cubs out of rabbity places others are digging the big dog foxes from places with tubes a small hound can get to ground in ...what do you all think ??

[Guest ROOSTER]

13-5 inchs 18/20lbs prob get to most anything in my area,had a bigger dog but its no fun digging to a dog who is stuck, and before anyone says a dog that wants to get there will rubbish to big is to big.

[donnyc 1,203]

13-5 inchs 18/20lbs prob get to most anything in my area,had a bigger dog but its no fun digging to a dog who is stuck, and before anyone says a dog that wants to get there will rubbish to big is to big.

Sensible reply,Times Ive heard that saying big lumps wont get there end of ..Try putting a big one in chalk and see .length of leg doesnt matter its the chest

[Kye 77]

From what i have seen, the time you need a small dog over here is if your quarry is Ground Hog...

The fox earths are the same size, and most of the Coon holes i have dug in (which 'aint as many as i would like..lol.) are the same size as back home in the UK...Ground Hog holes are REAL tight, especially at this time of year....but unless its a pest control job, i wouldnt want to hunt them now anyway...they have young in the ground, poison ivy is rife, and its hot as f**k...why not wait until the tubes have gotten bigger, and the GH have put on some fat and size due to them preparing for there hibernation...come september time its much easyier..

 

The wife has a nice little white bitch..11" and about 10lbs in weight...all the rest of our dogs are of average size...13"-14 1/2" and about 15lbs all the way up to 23lbs....

 

Yeah you can breed them smaller...and yeah they will fit in summer time holes better...but those same dogs that CAN fit, just bay at 6lb GH...at least when there bigger or of normal size, they can deal with the quarry in the way they should (imo)

 

My digging buddy has a nice little kennel of terriers...smallest dog he has is about 12 1/2" but i would guess he is about 16lbs...he has gear brought over from the UK, and she has been dug to on Ground Hog, Possom, Fox and Raccoon...she is around the 13" and 18lbs mark...a real nice stamp of bitch...never had a problem with her getting anywhere...the only difference with her is she kills most of her game!..

 

Kye,..

[Guest newboy]

 

don't look too small - do they ?

[PBurns 9]

Average height of digging dogs over here in the US is a shy line over 12" at the shoulder, and it does not matter the quarry. I have data on more than 450 dogs. Chest size is the issue, as said -- you can get a bigger dog, but a bigger chest is likely to come with it. If it does not, the dog often ends up looking a bit strange and out of proportion. In working lines, regardless of breed, chest size tends to be around 2 inches more than height. Any dog much under 11 inches will start to lose stamina, especially in winter if you are going out all day in dropping cold. Anything much over 12.5 inches tall and 15 inch chests, and the dog is going to have some difficulty in reaching the back of some tight pipes over here in the U.S. (the exception might be if you are digging in sand). With most dogs that are over 13" inches tall, you might as well fasten a deben collar on the end of a stick and locate that way. Of course in all countries you can always dig 2-3 a year with a larger dog, but that's not what I am after. That's a full year of activity for some show folks though. Each to his or her own.

 

Patrick

[spindolero 1,111]

Average height of digging dogs over here in the US is a shy line over 12" at the shoulder, and it does not matter the quarry. I have data on more than 450 dogs. Chest size is the issue, as said -- you can get a bigger dog, but a bigger chest is likely to come with it. If it does not, the dog often ends up looking a bit strange and out of proportion. In working lines, regardless of breed, chest size tends to be around 2 inches more than height. Any dog much under 11 inches will start to lose stamina, especially in winter if you are going out all day in dropping cold. Anything much over 12.5 inches tall and 15 inch chests, and the dog is going to have some difficulty in reaching the back of some tight pipes (the exception might be if you are digging in sand). With most dogs that are over 13" inches tall, you might as well fasten a deben collar on the end of a stick and locate that way. Of course in all countries you can always dig 2-3 a year with a larger dog, but that's not what I am after. That's a full year of activity for some show folks though. Each to his or her own.

 

Patrick

 

I'll get the popcorn, this could be a three pager

[fellman 116]

Pickaxe , shut everyone of them up by showing the photo of C.Breay's dogs tied to the front gate of his house , the dogs are FAR bigger these day's are'nt they .

 

Otherwise don't waste your breath on them . Print , photos and legend's.....Myths again , that's all they're interested in . Hero worshipers , we have them here too I hear :whistle: .

oh we definatley have them here

[Guest Haggler]

White dog, chocolate dog, black dog, black and tan dog or red.

 

Patterdale, Fell, Jack Russell, Lakeland, Staffordshire, Border, or Bed.

 

Tall dog, short, smooth, broken, rough, heavy built, light build and all sizes of chest.

 

Let the man who hunts 'um, kennels 'um, feeds 'um and picks up their shit decide which is best.

 

Haggler

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

White dog, chocolate dog, black dog, black and tan dog or red.

 

Patterdale, Fell, Jack Russell, Lakeland, Staffordshire, Border, or Bed.

 

Tall dog, short, smooth, broken, rough, heavy built, light build and all sizes of chest.

 

Let the man who hunts 'um, kennels 'um, feeds 'um and picks up their shit decide which is best.

 

Haggler

 

Excellent .No hard and fast rules on size in this country.As long as what you have does what you want it to do.

[Guest grubygrafter]

i can see the classes at the shows in a few years time.

 

PATERDALES.

 

paterdale. under 12 paterdale over 12 paterdale rough paterdale smooth

 

there will be seperate classes for the black the red. and the now very popular chocolate.

 

any paterdale that dos'nt fit the above classes

 

and also there will be the same classes for the . miniture paterdale

 

any paterdales showing signs of work to be instantly disqualified

 

dont have nightmares lads just jesting :whistle: :whistle:

[m.r1 7]

Not far wrong, f**k em, so long as the decent lads dont get blinded by the rossette brigade

 

Good luck

[fish 148]

White dog, chocolate dog, black dog, black and tan dog or red.

 

Patterdale, Fell, Jack Russell, Lakeland, Staffordshire, Border, or Bed.

 

Tall dog, short, smooth, broken, rough, heavy built, light build and all sizes of chest.

 

Let the man who hunts 'um, kennels 'um, feeds 'um and picks up their shit decide which is best.

 

Haggler

so say i

[Kye 77]

Just wanted to add that my main terriers from last season, and this next season is 16" and 23+lbs....we have dug to him succesfully everytime he has said someone was home.

 

Kye,..

[Guest Dig1]

Not far wrong, f**k em, so long as the decent lads dont get blinded by the rossette brigade

 

Good luck