Alount

[juckler123 707]

Has anyone had any experience with any of theese basicaly a greyhound cross mastiff they used to be used on deer and boar and with the lurcher one of the oldest british breeds i had a few years playing about with neopolitanx bullmastiffs as man dogs the neo by the way was originally taken from britain by julius ceaser he was so impressed by there man killing abillity repotably crippling on the first bite and then going on to the next opponent ive seen neos pick 12 stone blokes of the ground and shake em some animal when bred to a bullmastiff they produce a very lean agile animal i bred a few of these and they all caught rabbits in the day i wish now id have crossed one with a greyhound as for heavy quarry i think they would have been the buisness and with little litter wastage has any one on here heard of anything bred like this

[Stabs 3]

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The Neo is as recreated as the Cane Corso so that bit about Julius Caesar is just wishful thinking. The Romans did take mastiffs back, but you can bet your last penny they weren't what we know as Neos today. Not knocking Neopolitans though. I've seen some very good cross bred Neos over the years and I know some lads who have some very good pure dogs.

[kaney 9]

I have 2 alaunts at the moment both have high prey drives which i try to keep in check. they are litter sisters one very athletic the other very mastiff like head but again athletic body theyre coming up to the year mark now and are v biddable have been a doddle to train . they obviously dont catch much ,i have them out with the little dogs mostly snatching the odd rabbit or whatever comes there way but once they catch hold nothing gets away .will work out how to post pics later and post some to show you

[kaney 9]

 

fingers crossed this picture thing has worked.

[colliejohn 840]

Has anyone had any experience with any of theese basicaly a greyhound cross mastiff they used to be used on deer and boar and with the lurcher one of the oldest british breeds i had a few years playing about with neopolitanx bullmastiffs as man dogs the neo by the way was originally taken from britain by julius ceaser he was so impressed by there man killing abillity repotably crippling on the first bite and then going on to the next opponent ive seen neos pick 12 stone blokes of the ground and shake em some animal when bred to a bullmastiff they produce a very lean agile animal i bred a few of these and they all caught rabbits in the day i wish now id have crossed one with a greyhound as for heavy quarry i think they would have been the buisness and with little litter wastage has any one on here heard of anything bred like this

colonel david hancock as wrote a article about this cross in countrymans weekly, i agree with you they would be alright on big stuff, but with regards ferreting or lamping i personally think they would be to heavy and cumbersome to be of any use.i dont believe there is a market for this sort of cross.regards collie john.

[kaney 9]

colonel david hancock as wrote a article about this cross in countrymans weekly, i agree with you they would be alright on big stuff, but with regards ferreting or lamping i personally think they would be to heavy and cumbersome to be of any use.i dont believe there is a market for this sort of cross.regards collie john.

does size matter for a decent ferreting dog when exits are netted and no need to catch in the open field surely the ability to mark occupied burrows and be steady to ferrets is more parramount They were allways bread to be heavy dogs of the field and as for a market for this sort of cross, sureley it is down to the individual you obviously like your collie cross i like my bull cross dogs this is what makes us as individual as our beloved dogs .

 

 

 

YIS Sean

[LDR 29]

I know a lad with one of these and have been out lamping with him, they looked slightly more racey than the pics above, but only a tad, looked mean as f**k and not a dog you'd particularly wanna mess with, but the temprement on this bitch he had could not be faulted, when out lamping it returned without hesitation and although it didnt catch (it was its first ever time lamping) this beast was easily fast enough once it hit top gear and was all over the arse end of a few rabbits.........

[colliejohn 840]

colonel david hancock as wrote a article about this cross in countrymans weekly, i agree with you they would be alright on big stuff, but with regards ferreting or lamping i personally think they would be to heavy and cumbersome to be of any use.i dont believe there is a market for this sort of cross.regards collie john.

does size matter for a decent ferreting dog when exits are netted and no need to catch in the open field surely the ability to mark occupied burrows and be steady to ferrets is more parramount They were allways bread to be heavy dogs of the field and as for a market for this sort of cross, sureley it is down to the individual you obviously like your collie cross i like my bull cross dogs this is what makes us as individual as our beloved dogs .

 

 

 

YIS Sean

your right there pal best of lucks with your dogs. regards collie john.

[Guest hairypie]

jmo , to me these dogs it the pics look far better than eny mastive ive seen they look healthy and free moving , if i was ever after a mastive thats the one i would go for i think with this breeding folk have tryed to produce a hunting dog able to run down its quary and hold or dispach it, now if you ask me and this is my honest op i think these animals are the best looking mastives ive ever seen , if its alaunt you want why not do a breeding program and breed another two gens of greys into this breed and creait a more athletic dog that would be able to run down its quary in a open feild , what you got in your hands there [bANNED TEXT] is mastives , bred for guarding , breed them down two gens to a grey and then show me the pics and then i will say you have the alunt the brains behind the alaunt recreastion was by far three gens out ,there needs to be far more grey in these breedings and once theres a type you have to breed just to see if its going to breed to type lol its a long proces and will cost a few quid in feed bills and vet bills , as i said two more gens of greyhound and then line breed the offspring to type then you will have what i would call a recroastion to the true aluant as your gonna get

 

and just cos i cant spell worth a f**k lol dont mean i dont know what im talking about ..........

[juckler123 707]

Kaney did you breed them yourself and how are they bred their very similar to the neo xs i used to breed just smaller and they do look well usefull the main reason i can see for recreating these dogs is if anyone wanted a serious campaign on the larger quarry in the uk imo they would be ideal ive also always thought a large fast alount type would put a good show on the charlies and old long ears i saw a 32 inch greyhound once kill 12 out of 12 hares running up and down hill at ledenham tops near lincoln this dog was massive but made old sally look easy i saw the owner turn down 2000 pound for this dog saying that wouldnt even buy its toenail and this was in 76 i honestly thought the dog wouldnt have been able to turn at that size but it could and its stride was unbelievable also if you look at the hare when i started out hares were a lot smaller jacks 3-4 pound, does were lucky to make 6-7 look at em today anything up to 12 pound is possible and in some areas that size is about normal wether this increase is down to better crops or them getting bigger due to exercise i dont know but they are definitely larger yet the lurcher has stayed the same size if i lived up north or was running on the fens i should have liked a go at breeding something humongus just for the crack for petes sake kaney dont breed one of them to a greyhound cos i dont think i could resist not only that with a big dog by your side you aint got the worries about no one i like a dog that dont trust strangers as i go out alone and keepers are never as brave when youve got 4 legged backup and think of the money you could earn not having to pass up on the ultimate british quarry the monarch of the glenn i know i only ever took one and that needed three dogs on it wheras with a big beestie by your side they would have no trouble of course this is only a pipe dream what do you lads reckon!

Hairypie your right on the money and i honestly cant see much litter wastage as this is usually caused by shortness of leg something that dogs like kaneys definitely dont suffer from.

[kaney 9]

I know a lad with one of these and have been out lamping with him, they looked slightly more racey than the pics above, but only a tad, looked mean as f**k and not a dog you'd particularly wanna mess with, but the temprement on this bitch he had could not be faulted, when out lamping it returned without hesitation and although it didnt catch (it was its first ever time lamping) this beast was easily fast enough once it hit top gear and was all over the arse end of a few rabbits.........

The photos were taking two months ago and they are alot leaner now, the more athletic one of the 2 catches rabbits fairly often if they panic she has them the only trouble is the tug of war betwween them means nothing left for uman consumption

[Stabs 3]

When you say they would be the business on toothed quarry, what benefits would they have over the dogs that are already doing it? I personally can't see any. JMO

[juckler123 707]

Your right they probably wont be any better than the dogs used on toothed quarry now but i cant honestly see em being any worse and they would definitely be a better bet on the fallow stags and reds i know these dogs dont look it but they are very agile and with a big enough hound it would be possible to hunt those bigger specimens, quarry that usually gets left alone im only speculating though and by the looks of it others are thinking on the same lines surely someone else out there has or will put this theory to the test if i was younger and had the zest for the game as i did a few years ago i would have a bash at breeding one but im too old to be lugging things about in the wee hours of the morning i cant even be messed to carry more than a dozen bunnies now and only hunt for the sport of it

[Brummy 9]

Alaunts catching rabbits.............. don't make me laugh !

[J Darcy 5,871]

Your right they probably wont be any better than the dogs used on toothed quarry now but i cant honestly see em being any worse and they would definitely be a better bet on the fallow stags and reds i know these dogs dont look it but they are very agile and with a big enough hound it would be possible to hunt those bigger specimens, quarry that usually gets left alone im only speculating though and by the looks of it others are thinking on the same lines surely someone else out there has or will put this theory to the test if i was younger and had the zest for the game as i did a few years ago i would have a bash at breeding one but im too old to be lugging things about in the wee hours of the morning i cant even be messed to carry more than a dozen bunnies now and only hunt for the sport of it

Juckler, would they be fast enough to come to terms with a fallow?. What size have they levelled out at. cheers