rspca taken dogs

[stabba 10,745]

Meant to say have you been charghed with owt matey?

[Guest fatty]

Meant to say have you been charghed with owt matey?

yes mate

[gonetoearth 5,144]

THEY GOT A BAN , they expected us all to roll over and stop hunting with dogs, they have tried to prosecute hunts with little and no success , now they are attacking easy targets , the rspca is in league with lacs and every anti group thruout the UK , we need to be more vigilant then ever , i have said time and time again loose lips, and still people persist in posting pics of face to face terrier work, yes it is legal to enter a terrier in protection of game, but the rspca will use every trick in the book to say any injures are inflicted by other means , unless we stand up to these jumped up uniform wearing antis , they will grow in stature , we need a fighting fund to defend just causes , there are enough people on this site and others to create a fund , united we stand or divided we fall ,

[birdman6 10]

that is good information to have, is it the same when the sspca come to the door?

[bud9 79]

Meant to say have you been charghed with owt matey?

yes mate

when thay took my dogs a never had any say in it what so ever thay just took the hole lot and all my dogs were kept in diffrent sspca sites all over scotland a never thought a was geting my dogs back but when we went to court the police and sspca had took over 400 photos of the dogs and thay took my terrier finders my lamps ferret nets and thay even took a dead hare a found on the road side that a was going to feed my ferrets and thay took my 8 week old terrier pup when a got the dogs back the terrier pup came back blind and def and thay could not explain to me why the pup was like that it cost not far off 18.000 and that was just my kennel bill and that was for my 7 dogs but thare was still another 10 dogs still when a spoke to my lawyer he told it was 8.50 a day for each dog but the main thing in all of this a got all the dogs back after 11 month

[Muddyboots 2]

The following has been taken from the Self Help Group for Farmers & Others which was set up after a group of farmers believed they were unreasonably and unfairly ‘targeted’ by the RSPCA. ( http://the-shg.org/index.htm )

 

Things to remember about the RSPCA.

 

> The RSPCA is a charity.

 

> The Inspectorate is NOT a public law enforcement body.

 

> Society Inspectors have NO special legal powers whatsoever.

 

> They have NO special powers to arrest offenders.

 

> They have NO right to enter your home to inspect your animals or to demand that you answer any of their questions.

 

> They have NO right of access to shows, fairs and markets other than as members of the public, and can only carry out any law enforcement function as an assistant to a police-officer, upon that officer’s request.

 

> They have NO power to stop, obstruct or otherwise detain any vehicle carrying animals.

 

> Society’s staff issue criminal proceedings against alleged offenders by way of private prosecution.

 

> Members of the Inspectorate wear uniforms which make them as much like police officers as the law will allow. They are not. The lowest rank in the Inspectorate is ‘Inspector’ (apart from Trainee Inspectors). Above that they have Chief Inspectors, Superintendent, and Chief Superintendent. None of these ranks are officers of the Crown, and have no legal significance whatsoever. They are designed to impress the public.

 

What to do if the RSPCA come calling.

 

You get a knock at the door; you open it. It’s the R.S.P.C.A.

 

The “officer†may or may not be in uniform but, crucially, the police are not in attendance.

 

What should you do? Do not panic and do not let the uniform or the attitude intimidate you.

 

There is a good chance that you will be cautioned using the words “You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not now mention something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidenceâ€. All this means is that the R.S.P.C.A. officer can now give evidence in court as to what you say.

 

At this time the R.S.P.C.A. have no powers to arrest you, all they can do is report you for summons. We recommend that you ask “Am I under arrest?†Note their response.

 

It is very important that you do not allow them entry into your premises.

 

> They have no rights to be on your property.

 

> They have no special legal powers.

 

> They cannot demand entry to look at your animals.

 

> They cannot demand that you answer questions.

 

You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way.

 

If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper.

 

Be firm, but polite, and do not let them into your house, or other premises. Say “I have been advised not to answer any questions put by, or in the presence of, R.S.P.C.A. officials without a solicitor present. If you wish to question me I must insist that you arrange, and pay for, the police duty solicitor to be presentâ€. Ask them to leave saying “Unless you have lawful authorisation to enter my premises I want you to leave nowâ€.

 

If they refuse to leave you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. Do not think that this is the end of the matter – they will probably be back, perhaps with the police. Telephone one of the emergency helpline numbers (at the bottom of this post) and they will do their best to put you in touch with people who can help. They can also advise on how you should now proceed.

 

The basic advice would be that you need to photograph your animals and your enclosures, invite a trusted friend to look over your stock and conditions or, preferably, get someone whose testimony would carry more weight to look over your animals/pets. It would certainly be a good idea to have a specialist vet check and write you a report. The helpline can put you in touch with expert witnesses and veterinarians and they can also seek legal advice on your behalf.

 

What do you do if the police attend your premises with the R.S.P.C.A.?

 

Ask “Do you have a search warrant, or other lawful authority, to enter my premises? Insist on a yes or no answer.

 

If the answer is no they have no right to demand access don’t let them in and proceed as you would if the R.S.P.C.A. are attending on their own.

 

Many people feel intimidated when faced with “mob-handed†visits but the law is on your side.

 

No matter what the R.S.P.C.A. may say to you, do not be tempted to let them in without proper authority.

 

No legal seizure of your animals can take place unless entry to your premises has taken place with proper authority.

 

If in any doubt, or you simply want some back-up, call the either of the helpline numbers or get someone to call on your behalf.

 

If they do have a search warrant ask “May I see and read the search warrant?†Ensure that you read the warrant before they try to enter unless they state it is urgent. It is very important that you don’t to anything to obstruct the police officer(s).

 

Check to see who is authorised to enter by the warrant. Only allow the persons authorised in the warrant onto your property and insist that any others leave.

 

Ask for a witness to be allowed in. Get a friend to come over as soon as possible. Call the emergency helpline as soon as you are able and they will try to locate an expert witness in your area to attend. They can also get legal advice for you. The sooner they know you have a problem the sooner they can start acting on your behalf. Once your animals have been seized it can be quite difficult to get them back and they (the helpline) would always try to prevent seizures being carried out.

Ensure that you record the time that any search is initiated and also the time at which it is finished. Record the details of anyone who enters and insist that you see ID cards for anyone in plain clothes.

 

Remember that anyone not specifically named on the warrant can be told to leave. If they do not leave they are guilty of trespass.

 

Don’t be bullied, be firm but polite at all times. If you feel the situation is getting out of hand, or you want advice, call the helpline.

 

With reference to your property (whether it is your animals or any documentation), only the police have the authority to remove items. The R.S.P.C.A. (or any other charity) have absolutely no authority to remove your property (and this includes your animals) without your consent.

 

If the police want to take things away seek further advice from the helpline immediately. Insist that you are given a full receipt that lists everything in detail (e.g. 75 sheets of paper, 2 notebooks, etc.) do not accept receipts for, for example, “a quantity of correspondence†make sure it is listed in full.

 

Should your animals be removed by the police you are entitled to inspect them wherever they may have been placed and you are entitled to an independent veterinary inspection, which the R.S.P.C.A. are obliged to pay for.

 

If you are arrested insist that you speak only to the police and do not answer questions with the R.S.P.C.A. present. Insist that you wish to speak to the duty solicitor and do not make a written statement until you have spoken to the duty solicitor.

 

The police may have some other authority to enter your premises which means they can go in without a search warrant. They can, for example, enter to arrest you for various offences without your consent. If they use this authority it does not enable anyone else to enter so you can insist that all other persons leave your premises, unless they can give a lawful authority for their being present.

 

If you are unfortunate enough to be the subject of a raid you may well find yourself overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people that end up on your doorstep. With police officers, R.S.P.C.A. personnel and members of other charities brought in as consultants or handlers (and last but not least film crews!) you may well be facing a dozen or more people. Thus intimidated, even though you know your rights, you could find yourself pressured into allowing admittance to your house or other premises. Most keepers are law abiding citizens who have been accustomed to cooperating with authority figures and this is what makes you vulnerable.

 

Perfectly healthy-looking animals have also been removed “for further examinationâ€, never to be returned. Do not be persuaded to sign away your animals, for examination off your premises, or for any other purpose – you will probably not have them returned.

 

The emergency helpline numbers are 023 8044 0999 or 1470 0870 072 6689

 

 

Great advice!keep-up the good work.Boys & Girls watch what you are putting up on these hunting sites Muddy.

[Guest gaz100604]

had a call myself sum c**t neighbour said i had no shelter for dogs officer came 4 wks later anyway she seen kennells and dogs and we came in house she said obviously dogs well looked after had a chat with her she was telling me they can come in your front and rear yards if they feel animal is in a bad way without police but cannot come in the house ,

[RatSnatcher 0]

Meant to say have you been charghed with owt matey?

yes mate

thay took my 8 week old terrier pup when a got the dogs back the terrier pup came back blind and def and thay could not explain to me why the pup was like that

 

This bit sounds to me like a vaccine feck up, ask them if they gave the pup some jabs

[bignoel 14]

unless it was a court order the police are only there to keep the peace. the shit house rspca have feck all power charity run animal rights rageing for you pal

[dom mac 0]

that is good information to have, is it the same when the sspca come to the door?

 

 

This does not apply in Scotland. The SSPCA were granted considerable powers under the Animal welfare act. You can find all the details by searching SSPCA Powers on line. They have the same powers as the police. But they must inform you beforehand that they intend to pay you a visit, unless by doing so that will frustrate the purpose of getting the warrant in the first place. Its designed for improving the conditions that some pets are kept in, i think, all of the dogs that i've ever seen kept for work are very well cared for.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

that is good information to have, is it the same when the sspca come to the door?

 

 

This does not apply in Scotland. The SSPCA were granted considerable powers under the Animal welfare act. You can find all the details by searching SSPCA Powers on line. They have the same powers as the police. But they must inform you beforehand that they intend to pay you a visit, unless by doing so that will frustrate the purpose of getting the warrant in the first place. Its designed for improving the conditions that some pets are kept in, i think, all of the dogs that i've ever seen kept for work are very well cared for.

so your telling me they have the power to force entry and arrest and hand cuff you

[chrissy32 13]

do (not) sign your dogs over if you think your in the shit there going to take you to court any way why not take the chance of getting them back good luck fatty atb chris

[dare 1,103]

sorry to hear the bad news mate. RSPCA are a f*****g joke, im all for stopping animal abuse but these idiots seem nothing more than animal abusers who want to get stories for the papper to shock the nation and get more money given to em. Hence why they dont go after the bloodly idiots peddlering illegal dogs left right and center ethier that or scared the race card will get played.

 

Best of luck in getting your dogs back fatty, know of some dogs that have come back and havent been the same since.

 

Can you not have the dogs put down rather than hand them over sounds harsh and what not i know but from the way ive seen the dogs at their kennels kept and stories ive heard...id rather end it for my dogs than have em go into their shitty kennels.

 

Trouble is i bet the police will always be on their side simply because they are in the uniform and talk alot of shit as if they are experts and the police arent the brightest of people.

[dwalin 0]

im really sorry to hear this and i pray you get your dogs back

from what ive read here you love your dogs

the rspca think there law unto themselves.

wouldn't mind if they would take the dogs of the thick hoodies we have here a staff on the end of each are or a English bull

kicked if they bark and used just cos the kids behind the lead or scared witless of not having something to make em look good

but working dogs are just that working dog

happy well exercised loved well fed and housed and looked after by most cept

the prats that kick and shout. cos they have no idea how to make a dog work otherwise and they think there hard.

makes me so cross .

i really do hope it works out for you

[dom mac 0]

that is good information to have, is it the same when the sspca come to the door?

 

 

This does not apply in Scotland. The SSPCA were granted considerable powers under the Animal welfare act. You can find all the details by searching SSPCA Powers on line. They have the same powers as the police. But they must inform you beforehand that they intend to pay you a visit, unless by doing so that will frustrate the purpose of getting the warrant in the first place. Its designed for improving the conditions that some pets are kept in, i think, all of the dogs that i've ever seen kept for work are very well cared for.

so your telling me they have the power to force entry and arrest and hand cuff you

 

Its quite involved for me to go in to on here, you should google The Animal Welfare Act. Schedule 1 deals with the powers that the Scottish parliament recently gave to the SSPCA and police. I don't know about handcuffs and all that, but they can get a warrant to search your dwelling, land and buildings and force entry etc. They have powers of entry without warrants too, but best read for yourself. The SSPCA have an enforcement role here.