Brummy 9 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see what difference it makes........... I've been fortunate to lamp with some excellent dogmen and all of them use a slip. If you come to a gate/fence take it off and the dog waits on the other side then put the slip back on. Don't see why a dog has to be off the slip for it to jump a fence or gate, why can't it jump when it's still on the slip. Must say it's a lot easier if a dog is working without a slip. I find it fairly easy to train them to do that when they're working solo, not so easy when they're out working with another dog. When your carrying a lamp and battery and have a dog on the slip and need to get over a fence or barbed wire it's best to keep the dog on the slip? I think that's making things very difficult to be honest ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippeter69 88 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see what difference it makes........... I've been fortunate to lamp with some excellent dogmen and all of them use a slip. If you come to a gate/fence take it off and the dog waits on the other side then put the slip back on. Don't see why a dog has to be off the slip for it to jump a fence or gate, why can't it jump when it's still on the slip. Must say it's a lot easier if a dog is working without a slip. I find it fairly easy to train them to do that when they're working solo, not so easy when they're out working with another dog. When your carrying a lamp and battery and have a dog on the slip and need to get over a fence or barbed wire it's best to keep the dog on the slip? I think that's making things very difficult to be honest ! Unless it a long slip lead! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SJM Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I have to say watching people jump their dogs over fences whilst still on the slip is a pet hate of mine! it betrays to me their lack of trust in their own dogs obedience. Its a simple matter to train a dog to wait for you once its jumped a fence just practice during daylight hours, get the dog to jump over then as soon as its feet hit the ground, call it in and praise it verbally or keep its attention on you as you climb the fence then as soon as your on the other side, call the dog right in and give it a pat before you pop it back on the slip again. If you do this every time you come to a fence the dog will soon learn the routine and not go running off when you do it in the dark. I always lamp pups from a slip because I want to be in control of what they run and how difficult the runs are, I monitor their progress closely and only once they are seasoned and experienced do I start running off the slip. The best way to do it is towards the middle or end of the night when the dogs had a few runs and kills under its belt and the sting is out of it, its less likely to go tearing off after everything it sees when your scanning the field. I also make a hiss noise every time I release the slip, this then becomes the trigger for the dog to go, once its lamped off the slip. If the dog tries to go after a rabbit without your say so, simply turn the light off and call it back in. If it comes back in without chasing the rabbit properly, keep it off the slip and try again. If it chases the rabbit in the dark simply ignore it when it comes back, no verbal praise or petting, and pop back on the slip for a couple of chases, then try off the slip again. Dogs soon learn, no light = no help from master/mistress and no praise when they return. Praise is very important and often overlooked. Many people praise a young pup its first few trips out, then they stop once it gets proficient. I always praise my dogs right up til their last night lamping whether that be 10 yrs 11 yrs or however long they last. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reload Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I have to say watching people jump their dogs over fences whilst still on the slip is a pet hate of mine! it betrays to me their lack of trust in their own dogs obedience. Its a simple matter to train a dog to wait for you once its jumped a fence just practice during daylight hours, get the dog to jump over then as soon as its feet hit the ground, call it in and praise it verbally or keep its attention on you as you climb the fence then as soon as your on the other side, call the dog right in and give it a pat before you pop it back on the slip again. If you do this every time you come to a fence the dog will soon learn the routine and not go running off when you do it in the dark. I always lamp pups from a slip because I want to be in control of what they run and how difficult the runs are, I monitor their progress closely and only once they are seasoned and experienced do I start running off the slip. The best way to do it is towards the middle or end of the night when the dogs had a few runs and kills under its belt and the sting is out of it, its less likely to go tearing off after everything it sees when your scanning the field. I also make a hiss noise every time I release the slip, this then becomes the trigger for the dog to go, once its lamped off the slip. If the dog tries to go after a rabbit without your say so, simply turn the light off and call it back in. If it comes back in without chasing the rabbit properly, keep it off the slip and try again. If it chases the rabbit in the dark simply ignore it when it comes back, no verbal praise or petting, and pop back on the slip for a couple of chases, then try off the slip again. Dogs soon learn, no light = no help from master/mistress and no praise when they return. Praise is very important and often overlooked. Many people praise a young pup its first few trips out, then they stop once it gets proficient. I always praise my dogs right up til their last night lamping whether that be 10 yrs 11 yrs or however long they last. Spot on SJM, especially about using a command for the dog to GO, I also use a heel command/signal and a stop , if you can get the control like this, it really does make lamping a whole lot easier I enjoy dog training and a dog working free of a slip, is how i would like to see a lurcher work the lamp, but it does take some work and quite few nights training just walking in the dark with the dog without even lamping. Obviously you have to use a slip sometimes, young dogs, and to prevent accidents etc......My old dog is pretty shit at working of the slip, but the younger one is good enough. Edited February 17, 2009 by reload Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Hi i would like your opinion about lamping without the use of a slip lead.When I started running lurchers IT was all day work.About 1993 anyway My first dog had to learn by instinged as it was me the dog and some tips i got off older people.I had read a few books every one had there own way.I got a few tips that would work of one but not the other.In the end After about ten mnth i relised you can read all the book,s that have ever been wrote. )But you can only train the dog the correctly whey when you begin to know it,s temproment.I could go into all this but any good lurcherman will know what i,am talking about.Gave her first run on rabbits just over ten mnth up in bigger got two rappid back live to hand as she had only been trained on dummys Got her first hare sixteen mnth.Put her on the lamp about two and a half(nightmare)this dog was used to working up her own quarry with her nose.It took me about three mnth to catch her frist hare on the lamp.After another two mnth i took her of the slip lead and made her heal till she was told to fetch.If she moved without being told the lamp would be turned off and she would be called in At fist she would brake away and run across one of the other lads path.Then i would get a power.But in the end the dog came good.I have now trained three dogs to work off the lead lamping P.S The reason i did this i hated haveing to slip the dog at every fence then put her back on. hats off too u catcher a think it takes a patient man too own and work a lutcher with a slip lead so u must hav the patince ov a saint too train it too heal everything in the dog must hav been telling it too give chase or too wonder off and just hunt up quarry its self with the dog being used too day work fair play too you Thanks mate i dont think you seen any of these dogs.You can ask some of the troops.Cheers ma man. Edited February 17, 2009 by Catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Working free of the slip is the only way, and is how a lurcher should work IMO There are times when i have to use a slip to prevent any accidents though Hi reload .Sometimes you have to use the slip if you dont accidents can and will happen.ATB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Using a slip just saves time training the dog to walk to heel off the slip at night but if i was patient enough then i would probably have a go at it, but i do not mind the slip lead at all, and will probably use a slip lead at night all of my lamping time but ferreting the dog is always off the slip. Of course your right you cant have a dog on the slip if you are rabbiting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) My dad was telling me the other day about how he never had a lead for his Lurcher, he trained him to work on voice commands and how one day when i was about 3 we were out on a bike ride with dog beside us when a hare sprung across the road but the dog never took off because he wasn't told he 'could', i would love to get my dog to that standard to you We all think our dad is a wise man.In your case it,s true.Your dads dog knew by the tone of his voice what it could and could not do My dad ran greyhound most of his life on and off the track.These guys knew the score.They dident have all the gismos and calls that we can buy today they learned like the dog.Time and effort .If only we had them on this site today we would all learn a think or two.ATB catcher. Edited February 17, 2009 by Catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 nothing wronge with no slip mate.the problem is no one can be botherd to train there dogs to these standedany more well done mate Cheers ma man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 A 'true' lurcher to me should be well trained to be a truely handy dog. Put the work in and you will be repaid reload your a man after my own heart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 all my dogs do it, as reload says its the way a good dog should be worked. i even have my older bitch off slip when the young ones working, and will stay at heel till comanded Hi TOMO Your right you just make the dog understand if it moves without being told it will be repirmanded. I would always turn the lamp off and call it to heal.Thanks for the input. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 My pup will sit and stay with a click of my finger and also all of my other commands are hand signal's.What she will be like with game i don't know.Cant wait to find out though i reckon she will just f**k off and chase anything in sight. Some people think you shoud train the dog one stage at a time.Dont agree i try to train my dogs with voice and hand together.I find the dog comes on quicker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see what difference it makes........... I've been fortunate to lamp with some excellent dogmen and all of them use a slip. If you come to a gate/fence take it off and the dog waits on the other side then put the slip back on. I am not saying this way is the best.Every one to his own.Some of the best lamper i know and these guys are top rate use a slip.I just find easyer without one.ATB catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 nice post Catcher bud atb KEANO Cheers ma man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 all my dogs do it, as reload says its the way a good dog should be worked. i even have my older bitch off slip when the young ones working, and will stay at heel till comanded Hi TOMO Seems to me there is nothing i can teach you.Maybe you can give me a hint or two .ATB catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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