Got another with the 20bore

[Sterry 0]

I shoot a 20 and i can shoot anything the guys with the 12bores shoot and the sometime mop up the stuff they miss. (its an AYA boxlock SBS double trigger 28" barrels fitted it myself), its a fantastic calibre, i am looking for a 12 mind purley for cheaper and wider range of cartridges and also fox and geese ( although i've shot geese with my 20).

 

Just wondering what you use in the way of cartridges??, personally i use : express special tewnty fibre 32g no.5 (they do everything) and Eley VIP bismuth no.5 for wildfowl.

[Deker 3,478]

I believe your dove is not on the general license and therefore protected.

 

You may wish to remove your photo.

 

charlieT your right there protected!

 

Acording to the current general licence, collared doves are pest species which can be taken under several general licence agreements, assuming you shot this dove as part on an agreement with the landowner (or you are the owner) to prevent damage to stored crops or to prevent disease then you were not committing an offence

 

http://www.basc.org.uk/media/basc_informat...s_in_the_uk.pdf

 

see also

http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/r...cencebirds.aspx

 

sorry better get my facts first always fort they was protected

 

 

you are partly right,yes they are on a genral licence but you do need permission from the land owner to shoot them,a person was recently prosacuted for shooting one in his garden with a air rifle,i think it was mentioned on THL you cant just shoot them coz there there

 

 

Can someone explain to me why that is a Collared Dove, it doesn't seem that way to me, or is it just my eyes going bad????!!

[SportingShooter 0]

If you look at a collared Dove, an adult one that is, there is a black collar that goes 2/3 of the way around the back of the neck Deker

 

That could well be a juvenile, I can't see the collar either.

 

They are perfectly legal to shoot as long as you comply to the General license for those birds, which in the main is crop protection, protection of food for livestock and the protection of other wild birds.

 

If you are encouraging wild birds by feeding them in the garden, and the Collared Doves are eating the food, that would qualify you to shoot one, even if in your garden.

 

But you are right, you can't shoot them because they fly over. I am guessing from the location of the OP that its Protecting livestock foodstuffs.

 

SS

[sauer 2]

i got myslef a macnab lowlander 20 bore couple oyears ago fixed chokes 1/4 n 1/2 chambered for 3" cost me new then 580 quid and must admit i use it more then the 12 now

 

fleet little gun and im no brilliant shot but have had some good ones with it and its done everything ive ever asked of the 12 bore.

 

only downside is price o the catridges but if you can find a good supplier and get a discount for the thousand instead o buying 250 etc then go for it

 

i like my little "ladies" gun

 

cheap n cheerfull but well worth the money

 

sauer

[whippeter69 88]

My step mum recently put up many bird feeders and the pigeons were eating a lot of the food, theres two about and iv got one and she wants me to get them both. So i think with in the law, am I?

[tom1cameron 1]

No you are not in the law if you are protecting bird feeders in a garden or even around a farm. Go back to the links I sent you and read the general licence. I am not really that fussed as these are not what you would call "native" birds and the UK is at the edge of their range. But......if you want to remain within the law....you are not with the excuse you just gave.

 

Protecting wild birds does not include protecting food on a bird table, it means protecting them from predatory birds during nesting season, such as killing magpies and jays etc etc You could kill a mappie in your garden if you are protecting wild bird nests, but you cant kill a pigeon because it is eating seeds you put out for "wild" birds as they are also "wild birds" and then you get into the area of "baiting" in order to kill doves and pigeons under a general licence which as far as I am aware is illegal.

 

It is quite simple, you can take pigeons and doves if you are protecting crops (on any scale and whether harevsted or in the ground), or are reducing their density in order to protect crops (on any scale and whether harevsted or in the ground) which is why we can decoy pigeons over stubble etc etc.

 

If you have crops (i.e. lettuces) in your garden and you are protecting them from pigeons and doves, then you can take them under the general licence providing the lettuces are for human or livestock consumption! That is the story you want.

 

Deker, you can see the edge of the collar on that photo, a little streak of black on the neck, the collar is only around the back and side of the neck, it is a collared dove.

 

T

Edited February 20, 2009 by tom1cameron

[whippeter69 88]

K thanks T1C