PCP Charging

[robertw1745 0]

Hi guys,

Im new here but have been shooting for a good few years on and off. I have just started again and bought a BSA Scorpion last weekend. I had a Superten before but had it stolen! The point is, when I owned my S10, I belonged to a club and used to get it chaqrged there. This time I have bought a bottle etc to do it myself. However, where can I get the bottle filled? I thought I could pop along to the local dive shop. However, a friend told me that you have to have a PADI dive qualification to do that. What does everyone else do?

Thanks

[mad al 146]

Hi guys,

Im new here but have been shooting for a good few years on and off. I have just started again and bought a BSA Scorpion last weekend. I had a Superten before but had it stolen! The point is, when I owned my S10, I belonged to a club and used to get it chaqrged there. This time I have bought a bottle etc to do it myself. However, where can I get the bottle filled? I thought I could pop along to the local dive shop. However, a friend told me that you have to have a PADI dive qualification to do that. What does everyone else do?

Thanks

 

Is the cylinder in date?

[robertw1745 0]

Hi guys,

Im new here but have been shooting for a good few years on and off. I have just started again and bought a BSA Scorpion last weekend. I had a Superten before but had it stolen! The point is, when I owned my S10, I belonged to a club and used to get it chaqrged there. This time I have bought a bottle etc to do it myself. However, where can I get the bottle filled? I thought I could pop along to the local dive shop. However, a friend told me that you have to have a PADI dive qualification to do that. What does everyone else do?

Thanks

 

Is the cylinder in date?

yes, it's brand new from JS Ramsbottom so it has a 5 year ticket

[mad al 146]

You should be able to get it filled in a dive shop with a compressor then, or are there any gunsmiths local to you who fill cylinders? I use a gunsmith, so have never used a dive shop, but if it's in date I can't see a problem

[bangbang 0]

i think it depends on the fitting if it's a surface only bottle which it should be from a gun dealer then you don't need a certificate if' it's for breathing air then you will

[robertw1745 0]

i think it depends on the fitting if it's a surface only bottle which it should be from a gun dealer then you don't need a certificate if' it's for breathing air then you will

 

Thanks very much for your help. I dont think I have a gun shop with a compressor near me so i'll pop along to the local dive shop and have a word.

Thanks again.

[sauer 2]

watch if your buying cylinders guys.....they maybe new and never used but you can buy a cylinder which may have sat in the shop for period of time so even tho its new it will require a hydro test or a visual test depending how long its been sitting

 

test dates are from new from manufactuer NOT from when youbuy them

 

also lot of dive shops now doing air rifles or "fills" so you wont need a diving certificate

[j davies 8]

watch if your buying cylinders guys.....they maybe new and never used but you can buy a cylinder which may have sat in the shop for period of time so even tho its new it will require a hydro test or a visual test depending how long its been sitting

 

test dates are from new from manufactuer NOT from when youbuy them

 

also lot of dive shops now doing air rifles or "fills" so you wont need a diving certificate

how come they dont need a cert mate does not matter if your diving or not its the bottle looked into htis and every one says its the bottle thats tested does not matter were its used

[celticwar 1]

Hi guys,

Im new here but have been shooting for a good few years on and off. I have just started again and bought a BSA Scorpion last weekend. I had a Superten before but had it stolen! The point is, when I owned my S10, I belonged to a club and used to get it chaqrged there. This time I have bought a bottle etc to do it myself. However, where can I get the bottle filled? I thought I could pop along to the local dive shop. However, a friend told me that you have to have a PADI dive qualification to do that. What does everyone else do?

Thanks

 

where are ya in the land

 

im in lincs ive just got my bottle 12ltr 300bar from deepblue ..

 

dive shop at lincoln only pumps to 232 bar charges 4.50

 

gun shop in sleaford called slingsbys 01529302836 CHARGES READY A WOPPING £18.00 TO FILL 12LTR BOTTLE TO 232 BAR LOL LOL SHOULD WHERE A MASK

 

found place in notts does fill to 300bar called barracuda diving charges £ 4.50 so im heading there sat lol

 

theres another in notts but cant remember the name but also do 300bar

 

so i have to travel 25 miles ... local is 16 miles but hell if im paying that

[andrewcannan 0]

hi there i get mine filled at our local gas supplier for the motor trade ie oxy/acetalyn they do allsorts of gas but also do air 232 fill £6.00

[Grim Reaper 1]

how come they dont need a cert mate does not matter if your diving or not its the bottle looked into htis and every one says its the bottle thats tested does not matter were its used

 

 

Yes JD, it is the bottle/tank that is tested - you are quite correct there, but it does in fact matter where the bottle is to be used mate.

 

Diver's tanks that are used for filling of air rifles will have a valving system that can only be used on land (also termed 'surface use only') and not under water, and as such, are only subject to a 5 yearly hydrostatic test.

 

Diver's tanks that are to used for the breathing of either compressed air, or a mixture of gasses thereof for the same use under water have a totally different valving system to that used on tanks for air rifle filling (water-proof, for a start), and the use that they are put to - and so these tanks are therefore subject to a 2 yearly hydrostatic test, and i believe a yearly visual test as well.

 

With reference to certificates you speak of, there is no need for a certificate for the diver's tanks that are used for filling air rifles - the date of the last or latest test done is engraved on the tank just below the neck, and the date of the next test due is on a self adhesive label also stuck onto the tank body for all and sundry to see - it will not matter what dive shop you go to to re-fill your tank as all the info they need to know of before they can fill the tank is clearly there on the tank itself.

 

Bear in mind of course, that diver's tanks used for underwater breathing will most likely have a certificate issued because of the use they are put to - in this case, keeping you alive under water (hence the stringent parameters involved in the servicing, testing, and certification of them.

 

I hope this clears it up a bit for you mate?

 

 

 

Regards,

Grim.

Edited February 19, 2009 by Grim Reaper

[sauer 2]

dive cylinders are required a visual test 2yearly and hydro test 5 yearly see lower half of post

 

it doesnt matter what the valving system on the top is, some dive shops selling cylinder packages with diving valve system anyway for airrifle filling with an adapter.

 

no matter what the use is what gas is going in ...its a pressurised vessel on sale to public and therefore requires a pressure test...you do not need a certificate to own or use a cylinder for whatever use (some dive shops may ask for a dive qualification before filling usually ok if its for air rifles..no problem if said shop sells air rifle packages etc which is common now )

but you need a certificate for the cylinder itself AND the cylinder should have last test date stamped on the neck of it along with a WP or Working Pressure rating & TP Test Pressure rating

 

 

BS 5430 PARTS 1 & 3 WITHDRAWN

On March 25th BS 5430 Parts 1 and 3, which concern the testing of cylinders, were withdrawn and replaced by two new European standards.

BS 5430 Part 1 has been replaced by BS EN 1968:2002 (steel cylinders) and Part 3 has been replaced with BS EN 1802:2002 (aluminium cylinders). In view of the lack of guidance from either HSE or BSI, IDEST have advised their approved test houses to implement the new standards by 31st August 2002.

 

Changes:

The test periods have changed from four years to 5 years and inspection period from two years to 2.5 years.

The cylinder must have the test date stamped on it, as before, but also have a stick-on label stating the date of the next test.

The 'intended contents' must also be clearly shown on the cylinder, such as Breathing Air, Nitrox or Trimix.

Any cylinders tested on the preceding standards should allow the certificate to run out and then be tested in compliance with the new standards; they should not extend their validity period.

These changes are to bring diving cylinders in line with the 10 year statutory testing for industrial gas cylinders.

These new standards now refer readers to other British Standards for guidance on stamping, labelling and colour coding of cylinders.

o test 5years

 

taken from the british sub aqua club website

 

SO EVEN THO YOU HAVE A CYLINDER WITHOUT A DIVING BREATHING VALVE SYSTEM ON THE TOP THE CYLINDER ITSLEF NEEDS TESTING ...IT TAKES HIGH PRESSURES.

 

sauer

Edited February 20, 2009 by sauer

[claybusers al 9]

Hi guys,

Im new here but have been shooting for a good few years on and off. I have just started again and bought a BSA Scorpion last weekend. I had a Superten before but had it stolen! The point is, when I owned my S10, I belonged to a club and used to get it chaqrged there. This time I have bought a bottle etc to do it myself. However, where can I get the bottle filled? I thought I could pop along to the local dive shop. However, a friend told me that you have to have a PADI dive qualification to do that. What does everyone else do?

Thanks

 

where are ya in the land

 

im in lincs ive just got my bottle 12ltr 300bar from deepblue ..

 

dive shop at lincoln only pumps to 232 bar charges 4.50

 

gun shop in sleaford called slingsbys 01529302836 CHARGES READY A WOPPING £18.00 TO FILL 12LTR BOTTLE TO 232 BAR LOL LOL SHOULD WHERE A MASK

 

found place in notts does fill to 300bar called barracuda diving charges £ 4.50 so im heading there sat lol

 

theres another in notts but cant remember the name but also do 300bar

 

so i have to travel 25 miles ... local is 16 miles but hell if im paying that

i have the same bottle amanda at scoutscroft at st abbs near eymouth charged me £2. for its first fill for my 3l buddy bottle its 30p

[clubshot 22]

Hi guys,

Im new here but have been shooting for a good few years on and off. I have just started again and bought a BSA Scorpion last weekend. I had a Superten before but had it stolen! The point is, when I owned my S10, I belonged to a club and used to get it chaqrged there. This time I have bought a bottle etc to do it myself. However, where can I get the bottle filled? I thought I could pop along to the local dive shop. However, a friend told me that you have to have a PADI dive qualification to do that. What does everyone else do?

Thanks

 

Robert,

No location - Helps to be aware of where shooters are to problems

 

Might get that problem where more Divers than Air Gun Shooters

 

Been using Dive Bottles 300 Bar for many years - have several gun's

And Run a Club with many 100's

 

Enclosed Link http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/1468227

 

Shows possiblities -

 

There is No Central Air Filling Body - so some Filling Stations can be a bit Funny

Also some Bottle are not Standard Dive Bottles - Some are converted Medical bottles

 

Link shows you Standard Dive bottles

 

Also worth Checking out Local Air Gun Clubs - Often a good source os Assistance to New Shooters

 

BOB/R

[masmiffy 82]

Found a dive supplier near me, Huntingdon Cambs, who can fill and do the tests.

Was quoted £25 for Hydro test and fill, didnt think that was bad?

Think just a visual and fill is £20.

Got to get mine done so will see how it goes.

Anyone wanting the shop details pm me!