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[lewismac1 1]

Ok going to take the plunge and get my own fac.

Thing is i was just wondering what You personally think is the best caliber, rifle, and setup for fox ?

 

I will be shooting on mostly open ground out too 200 yard's.

And be Shooting over multiple farm's that is infested with fox.

 

was thinking down the route of a .223 or .222 ?

Also what's the difference between the two caliber's? ( one for the pro's )

 

Cheer's.

[Deker 3,478]

Ok going to take the plunge and get my own fac.

Thing is i was just wondering what You personally think is the best caliber, rifle, and setup for fox ?

 

I will be shooting on mostly open ground out too 200 yard's.

And be Shooting over multiple farm's that is infested with fox.

 

was thinking down the route of a .223 or .222 ?

Also what's the difference between the two caliber's? ( one for the pro's )

 

Cheer's.

 

 

This debate has caused a lot of interest here and some answers are to be found in FAQ, .222 is a first class round but is on the way out, if the question is which of the 2 you list the answer is without doubt .223!!

 

Time to duck..

[Mr_Logic 5]

Of the two, the 223 wins due to extra grunt and availability.

 

Personally I want to give the 204 Ruger a go, but can't recommend until I've tried it.

 

In my experience any centrefire works well, if you want to get the range over 200 yards, then 223 is good to 300-ish. 22-250, 243 to 400 (or 5 if you can shoot that well).

 

In terms of purely stopping power, and therefore largest margin for error, the best fox tool is a 243, loaded with a hot load, or factory, 58gr v-max. Flies very flat and hits like an express freight train. Large holes appear in Charlie, and he very, very rarely gets up.

[teilky 0]

222 all the way, uses less powder 22 grain +-load,gets the same results, flat shooting, no kick ,see in the scope what you hit,takes red not leagle but it does fine round.If you want to fire FMJ the 223 is for you MOD will sell you tuns ..222 is a fine round ask the benchrest boys.

 

try a 40 grain head .224

 

nothing can compete apart from .17 which is a necked down .222 ,but if its windy instead of a .17 use a catty lol

 

cheers andy

[Mr_Logic 5]

222 all the way, uses less powder 22 grain +-load,gets the same results, flat shooting, no kick ,see in the scope what you hit,takes red not leagle but it does fine round.If you want to fire FMJ the 223 is for you MOD will sell you tuns ..222 is a fine round ask the benchrest boys.

 

try a 40 grain head .224

 

nothing can compete apart from .17 which is a necked down .222 ,but if its windy instead of a .17 use a catty lol

 

cheers andy

Not sure your argument works mate. I don't doubt that the .222 will do the job, but when you say 'nothing can compete' - what are you meaning? 222 works, but there are far better calibres. If you want to talk lack of powder to get the job done, try a Hornet with 13grains of lil' gun, works to 200 yards as well.

 

223 has more velocity than 222 and is therefore flatter and slightly harder hitting, and terms of accuracy, well, hrmph! Get the right rifle and the right load and 223 will compete with anything you like.

[SportingShooter 0]

222 all the way, uses less powder 22 grain +-load,gets the same results, flat shooting, no kick ,see in the scope what you hit,takes red not leagle but it does fine round.If you want to fire FMJ the 223 is for you MOD will sell you tuns ..222 is a fine round ask the benchrest boys.

 

try a 40 grain head .224

 

nothing can compete apart from .17 which is a necked down .222 ,but if its windy instead of a .17 use a catty lol

 

cheers andy

Not sure your argument works mate. I don't doubt that the .222 will do the job, but when you say 'nothing can compete' - what are you meaning? 222 works, but there are far better calibres. If you want to talk lack of powder to get the job done, try a Hornet with 13grains of lil' gun, works to 200 yards as well.

 

223 has more velocity than 222 and is therefore flatter and slightly harder hitting, and terms of accuracy, well, hrmph! Get the right rifle and the right load and 223 will compete with anything you like.

One thing to add, if you are buying supposed .223 Ammo from the M.O.D. then it will be 5.56 Nato round you are buying which are massively overcharged compared to a normal "civvie" .223. From what I have read and what I have been told, everytime you fire a 5.56 in a .223 rifle, its like firing a proof load.

[Deker 3,478]

222 all the way, uses less powder 22 grain +-load,gets the same results, flat shooting, no kick ,see in the scope what you hit,takes red not leagle but it does fine round.If you want to fire FMJ the 223 is for you MOD will sell you tuns ..222 is a fine round ask the benchrest boys.

 

try a 40 grain head .224

 

nothing can compete apart from .17 which is a necked down .222 ,but if its windy instead of a .17 use a catty lol

 

cheers andy

Not sure your argument works mate. I don't doubt that the .222 will do the job, but when you say 'nothing can compete' - what are you meaning? 222 works, but there are far better calibres. If you want to talk lack of powder to get the job done, try a Hornet with 13grains of lil' gun, works to 200 yards as well.

 

223 has more velocity than 222 and is therefore flatter and slightly harder hitting, and terms of accuracy, well, hrmph! Get the right rifle and the right load and 223 will compete with anything you like.

One thing to add, if you are buying supposed .223 Ammo from the M.O.D. then it will be 5.56 Nato round you are buying which are massively overcharged compared to a normal "civvie" .223. From what I have read and what I have been told, everytime you fire a 5.56 in a .223 rifle, its like firing a proof load.

 

 

It shouldn't be, .223 is .223 and 5.56 is 5.56, shoulder is slightly different and case pressure is definitely up on the 5.56.

 

It's terminology we are playing with here, if, in saying military .223 you are talking about a 5.56, then you are correct , but that is why detail is important more often than most think!! British 5.56 military supplier is Radway Green (BAE Systems), they want out of small munitions manufacturing..it shows, the RG 5.56 is NOT good! Shame the RG 7.62 was pretty good stuff on the whole (and that isn't a .308 either )

 

DON'T use 5.56 in a .223, they are NOT the same and the odds are you will pay for it in the end!!!

[martin 332]

Ok going to take the plunge and get my own fac.

Thing is i was just wondering what You personally think is the best caliber, rifle, and setup for fox ?

 

I will be shooting on mostly open ground out too 200 yard's.

And be Shooting over multiple farm's that is infested with fox.

 

was thinking down the route of a .223 or .222 ?

Also what's the difference between the two caliber's? ( one for the pro's )

 

Cheer's.

 

 

This debate has caused a lot of interest here and some answers are to be found in FAQ, .222 is a first class round but is on the way out, if the question is which of the 2 you list the answer is without doubt .223!!

 

Time to duck..

 

 

What exactly do you mean when you say the .222cal is 'on the way out'??