alaunt pups 2 dogs

[mick 7]

Cracking dogs Scotsman

Mick..

[john boy 5]

do they make good guard dogs aswell? always had german shepherds, but was thinking of 1 of these to work and use as a guard dog. i cant have a dog that kicks off all the time now due to where i live. what are they like on the whole?

[craigyboy 1,274]

alright scotsman mate how ya doin,i cant wait to shut these know-it-alls up,lynfords looking good il take some pics of jade tomorrow an put em up i always forget my fecking camera,i took her to the beach for the first time last week,she treated the sea the same as she treats every new thing,she flew into it at 100 mile an hour

[alaunte 12]

look handy dogs i like the bully breeds, one silly question from a girl why they called alaunt?

 

Alaunts were a medieval hunting dog, they were used for running down bear, wolves and boar mainly. They have been extinct for centuries as a breed, they had a bad reputation for killing livestock and even people! The quarry available in the uk seems limited for the recreation of this breed. In the US they might have a practical application as boar and bear dogs, although there are existing breeds that do that job well like Argentinian Dogos.

Some people just have to have the biggest scariest dog out there wether there is a need for them or not. Personally I wouldnt want the liability and feed bills for such dogs. But each to their own.

 

All the best Dirtwinger

most alaunts have only 3 breeds in their make up bullmastiff, bull terrier and greyhound the dogo has over a dozen breeds mixed into them the same with the pressa what breed in the alaunt is the liability then, why shouldnt we have a fit healthy running mastiff that doesnt cost a fortune in vet fees to keep healthy, as to the name alaunt its a type not a breed and these fit the bill

 

Well I have had personal experience of dogs that have been bred to the point that they become a liability. I used to hunt coyotes with a guy here in New Mexico. He had been hunting coyotes for almost 40 yrs, he bred the hardest dogs to the hardest dogs generation after generation.

The result was a line of dogs with no saftey catches in thier temperment. I f another dog bumped them they would kill them, no warning, no growls just calm to kill in a second. I had a great deerhound/grey bred in Ireland that I brought over when I moved to the US. He had done it all rabbit, hare, fox and coyote. He hunted regularly with Ernies dogs no isssues no problems. I left him with Ernie while I was working out of state. A 10month old bitch of Ernies killed him because my dog told her off! Since then Ernies dog have killed two dogs brought into his kennels and badly injured two other dogs in the field.

If his dogs got out I know they would kill livestock up to horses in size and have the potential to kill a human that crossed them. That what I mean by a liability.

As to Alaunts being a type rather than a breed, that may be the case today. But centuries ago they were a breed. Manda asked why theses dog are called Alaunts, I explained where the name came from I was not implying that your dogs were a recognized breed.

You however by identifying your type of dog as an Alaunt are making your own implications. Namely that your dogs have all the attributes of this extinct breed. Which was known for its extreme agression and unpredictable targeting of prey. Now a medieval lord didn't get much trouble if one of his Alaunts killed a peasants child. Rather different story in the modern UK dont you think? Hence me using the word liability.

 

Dirtwinger

alaunt is the old word or name used before we called them mastiff,(alano,alani,along with other's use'd through out europe).i once hear'd of a jack russel who killed a younster,doe's that meen we should kill/cull all jack russel's.may be if your so called friend put more work and trianing into his dog's and bred them better it wouldn't of happen'd.go on blame the bred,not the idiot behind the dog.you should find better dog men to knock around with me think's,saying that like bother with like. Edited March 25, 2009 by alaunte

[dirtwinger 235]

Dirtwinger

alaunt is the old word or name used before we called them mastiff,(alano,alani,along with other's use'd through out europe).i once hear'd of a jack russel who killed a younster,doe's that meen we should kill/cull all jack russel's.may be if your so called friend put more work and trianing into his dog's and bred them better it wouldn't of happen'd.go on blame the bred,not the idiot behind the dog.you should find better dog men to knock around with me think's,saying that like bother with like.

 

My understanding is that mastiffs and alaunts were two entirely different breeds of dog. Mastiffs were bred as guarddogs and alaunts were bred to run with hounds that would trail the quarry. The alaunts job was to keep up with the hounds and when things got nasty pile in and pull the prey down.

The reason that mastiffs remained as a breed to the present day is that the need for guard dogs has never gone away. Whereas with the absence of wolves and bears from Europe made Alaunts redundant.

I was stating a warning based on my experience of big hard hunting dogs. I presume you are breeding from good working stock. This is what Ernie did to a logical extreme.

His original goal was to produce dogs that could kill 3 or 4 40lb coyotes a day and any stray dogs found near ranchers cattle on his permission. He was so successful his dogs would tackle any other dog brought near them. Now he has started breeding more greyhound back into his line to mellow them out as no one will hunt with him.

Can I ask what you hunt your dogs at as they seem over kill for any prey in the UK?

 

all the best Dirtwinger

[dark snipe 0]

alaunt on the left and 1/4alaunt on the right and my 9 month old terrier pup a handsome bunch

Thats the perfect team for me,spot on mate

[hunter cammo 0]

hunting stray dogs is yer mans problem , has he tryed his dogs in the pit?

[MOO 730]

quote name='craigyboy' date='Mar 25 2009, 10:36 PM' post='976427']

alright scotsman mate how ya doin,i cant wait to shut these know-it-alls up,lynfords looking good il take some pics of jade tomorrow an put em up i always forget my fecking camera,i took her to the beach for the first time last week,she treated the sea the same as she treats every new thing,she flew into it at 100 mile an hour

Craigboy how are you planning to "shut these know it all s up "...These dog s will deffinately have there limited uses and there is no denying these hounds look the part and if the owners are happy with them then thats the main thing .....but for serious lurcher work these would be found wanting so keep it honest and dont try and make these dog to be something there not ...

Ive got dogs that will do everthing an alaunt x will do and more but I can guarentee you they alaunt crosses will not do everything they will do

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[craigyboy 1,274]

moo,dont talk shit,how can you guarantee that,these are bullxs so what are they limited to,and your saying bullxs are no good for serious lurcherwork yeh right,stick to eating pussy

[MOO 730]

moo,dont talk shit,how can you guarantee that,these are bullxs so what are they limited to,and your saying bullxs are no good for serious lurcherwork yeh right,stick to eating pussy

I am not talking shit so you are now calling these bull crosses now ....right I will at a guess say that 90% of bull x and thats me being conservative are bred from shit there are a few lines of bull crosses out there that are the real deal and pre ban these dogs were tested and only stock worth breading from were bred from ....and the true honest bull x lads will tell you they have there limited uses .

[MOO 730]

Fair play to you for admitting they have there limitations but beating a few lurchers at a race doesnt realy mean anything its not all about speed especially where dog of this type are concernd ....and as ive said and im being conservative 90% of bull x are not game bred bull crosses but are bred by shell suit wearing neds out of second rate stock that has never been truely tested but they look the part on the end of a lead ...the lads that have got real bull x have been bred from generations of tested stock ....and im not a bull cross fan they dont suit me but I can appreciat a well bred dog and respect the lads that do breed that type of bull x they will not keep or bred from a dog that is lacking and the right thing will be done with inferior dogs

[franny958 0]

i have been out with scotsman and seen his big dogs running and i will tell you this the dog toke 10 hard rabbits in about 2 hours which wood be a mean feet for most lurchers round about where we stay . but then again its hard to beleave untill you have seen it in your own eyes and i have they are not 5out of 5 hare dogs but they will catch there fair share as long as they are out doing what we all love to do thats the main thing

[MOO 730]

i have been out with scotsman and seen his big dogs running and i will tell you this the dog toke 10 hard rabbits in about 2 hours which wood be a mean feet for most lurchers round about where we stay . but then again its hard to beleave untill you have seen it in your own eyes and i have they are not 5out of 5 hare dogs but they will catch there fair share as long as they are out doing what we all love to do thats the main thing

I think that says it all

[franny958 0]

and there will be many more like it scotsman . we will have to take a trip out with the pup some day and get some rabbits bolting with my ferrets

[wyllie 1]

scotsman and craigyboy ignore the bald one. he's a bit stressed and touchy at the moment as he is trying to copy that yank and be the first male to give birth in the uk. his dogs are not bad but the best one he bred belongs to tj off this site or so ive heard