wink hound 0 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 you can disagree all you like, its still bollocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) you can disagree all you like, its still bollocks. What a well educated and constructive response that was. Edited February 6, 2009 by Hannah4181 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wink hound 0 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 short, sweet and to the point... there was nothing more i could say. i suspect that your real statistic should be, 9 times out of 10 most people never see the foxes demise. i suspect this is the case here. the lead hound may well be the first to the fox but the lead hound is not always the "pack leader" and certainlly is not 9 times out of 10 the hound that deals the vital blow. that is a fact, that is why the comment is bollocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 short, sweet and to the point... there was nothing more i could say. i suspect that your real statistic should be, 9 times out of 10 most people never see the foxes demise. i suspect this is the case here. the lead hound may well be the first to the fox but the lead hound is not always the "pack leader" and certainlly is not 9 times out of 10 the hound that deals the vital blow. that is a fact, that is why the comment is bollocks. I agree with your point that "the pack leader" is not always the lead hound. In my experience before the ban was in place and i witnessed the demise of a fox, 1 single hound always arrived at his quarry before the pack descends. . . . . commonly referred to as the "lead hound", regardless of it's pack status. I think the terminology used was the confusion here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hyperion Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 i was talking to some one with no idea of fox hunting and i was trying to put it in a possitive light!, perhaps i should have said some thing more along the lines of "yeah and then the dogs just charge in there and rip the fox to bits while its still alive, and every one stands around and cheers"?? when a fox hound gets hold of a fox its over pretty damn quick be it lead hound or not! cheers hyperion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wink hound 0 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 short, sweet and to the point... there was nothing more i could say. i suspect that your real statistic should be, 9 times out of 10 most people never see the foxes demise. i suspect this is the case here. the lead hound may well be the first to the fox but the lead hound is not always the "pack leader" and certainlly is not 9 times out of 10 the hound that deals the vital blow. that is a fact, that is why the comment is bollocks. I agree with your point that "the pack leader" is not always the lead hound. In my experience before the ban was in place and i witnessed the demise of a fox, 1 single hound always arrived at his quarry before the pack descends. . . . . commonly referred to as the "lead hound", regardless of it's pack status. I think the terminology used was the confusion here. lead hound.... maybe. pack leader defiantly not. lead hound is generally referred to as a hound that is commonly at the front of a pack when they are in full motion. in a mixed pack generally a bitch, not the best hunter, not the killing hound, generally the fastest, but not the quickest. this will generally be noted by most followers as they stand out and are often seen first, these will very very rarely kill a fox. but one has to be at the front! very few foxes were ever really killed by the idealistic hunt and kill of a find, chase and then the first hound "lead hound" killing the fox. the facts are that most foxes that were killed were generally mobbed in cover, tired down and caught in ditch lines/fences/hedges or shot and broken up. some hounds become specialist at plucking foxes from bramble, some can judge a strike as a fox trys his last chance through a fence, but ALL should have the capacity to hold a fox until the pack arrive. another fact is that any huntsman would very rarely be able to tell you which hound killed the fox, its a pack effort, very fast and humane yes, but a pack effort non the less, a mêlée of blood lust and skill that to most looks torturous and inhumane, but it is not. some hounds are killers true, some hound just have a hatred for foxes, but they are generally not the "lead hound" or the "pack leader" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wink hound 0 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 i was talking to some one with no idea of fox hunting and i was trying to put it in a possitive light!,perhaps i should have said some thing more along the lines of "yeah and then the dogs just charge in there and rip the fox to bits while its still alive, and every one stands around and cheers"?? when a fox hound gets hold of a fox its over pretty damn quick be it lead hound or not! cheers hyperion so why didnt you say, "when a hound got hold of a fox it was over quick".... im affraid your original statement is uneductaed and goes noway to disspell the mith that they "rip the fox to bits while its still alive"... she must really know nothing to of not seen a pack of hounds killing a fox with all the properganda and photos of recent years.... ive never once seen a picture of one hound killing a fox and the rest of the pack watching. eductation is the key, your obviously doing well to help this, but im affraid the mix ups come when miss truths are told and more questions are asked.... it is not black and white by anymeans, but it can be kept simple and affective.... keep up the good work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) And the very fact that it is a "pack effort" is why i am so passionate about hunting, i loved watching hounds work and do what they were bred to do. Thanks for the deeper insight. Edited February 6, 2009 by Hannah4181 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hyperion Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 as always i stand corrected and bow to your overwhelming knowledge of the subject winkhoud, though dont you rather think its splitting hairs in a post that was put up in an other wise friendly and rather light hearted fashion?? cheers hyperion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hyperion Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 i was talking to some one with no idea of fox hunting and i was trying to put it in a possitive light!,perhaps i should have said some thing more along the lines of "yeah and then the dogs just charge in there and rip the fox to bits while its still alive, and every one stands around and cheers"?? when a fox hound gets hold of a fox its over pretty damn quick be it lead hound or not! cheers hyperion so why didnt you say, "when a hound got hold of a fox it was over quick".... im affraid your original statement is uneductaed and goes noway to disspell the mith that they "rip the fox to bits while its still alive"... she must really know nothing to of not seen a pack of hounds killing a fox with all the properganda and photos of recent years.... ive never once seen a picture of one hound killing a fox and the rest of the pack watching. eductation is the key, your obviously doing well to help this, but im affraid the mix ups come when miss truths are told and more questions are asked.... it is not black and white by anymeans, but it can be kept simple and affective.... keep up the good work. Pete when the hound catch the fox its the job of the pack leader to finnish the fox no other dog! and its the same dog every time thats does it and belive me its quick! fox hounds are very powerfull dogs! read the post then comment! cheers hyperion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wink hound 0 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) proably mate, but then we all learn somthing new everyday!! edited.... have i missed something,we have been talking about the above commnets, all quotes are from either that or other post in this topic. Edited February 6, 2009 by wink hound Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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