dogs

[Nobby 65]

Hope you get her sorted out mate same thing happen to me last year a 6 year old dog i have that had never looked at sheep saw another dog run after sheep and join the chase luckly he came back got a clip and has never looked at them since picking up rabbits among the sheep and retrieving them.

[rob reynolds uk 3]

the law says the farmer has the right to shoot a dog if it is worrying live stock ,or has worried or is going to worry live stock ..so if that farmer had seen what went on from afar and he sees you again even though your dog is on the lead he can shoot it and there aint nothing you can do about apart from smash his face in that is if your big enough or brave enough to have a go at a man with a loaded gun . all farmers who have shot a dog must inform the police with in two day of the shooting and he aint even got to show the dog to any body so he can just bury it ,,any way know you all know the law,, the dog you have is a sheep killer it should be shot by rights ,but for the owner who knows the dog and what its is like he is in the wrong as he should of kept it away from sheep after the first time ,so its the owners fault the second time not the dog or should i say both ...no wounder farmers dont want are terriers a running dogs on there land ,if it was mine i would of kicked the f**k out of it ,then gone and seen the farmer and paid him off for his lose .its dogs like theses that f**k it up for every body else ..i would take this dog out on a lead up to some sheep by its self and if it even looked at the sheep wrong i would give it what for its the only way if your going to keep the piece of shit,i for one would not take this dog out again and off the lead ,so really it aint worth keeping as a working dog ,why was`ent the dog broken to stock as a puppy ?? if it was a terrier it aint as bad becouse you can still work one by keeping it on the lead untill it gets to the hole ,but a running dog can only work by being of the lead in which you have no control over the dog once its of the lead ,i say shoot it ,,

[Guest Geordie]

I think the dog was broken to livestock as the lad says hes been out breaking them to stock again!!

 

Only Brock can decide what hes going to do in the end,as only he knows what the dogs temprement is like and how tractable the dog is.

Theres too many factors affecting this situation for anyone to jump to conclusions,pts may be the only option,but its not something i would think about just yet if the lad reckons he may be able to get the dog back on track.

[kiwi 4]

it's a sheep killer mate putting ya mate down for committing the ultimate sin for a hunting dog is not a sign of a bad dogman or taking the easy way out, it's a honest and reponsible action in our country and not a pleasant experience at all, plenty of good dogs have gone this way. some dogs get a taste for sheep it's a sad fact. not trying to be unhelpful but telling it as it is.

[Guest pat 88]

at the end of the day only you can decide brock what you can and carnt do with the dog if you can trust the dog around sheep again have a go and its still a young dog. if anything put the staffy pup down bloody thing that started it all off. personally i dont let anyone take my dogs out except me as if they ever do owt like that only im to blame and i have a hard time tusting people anyway. I was fishing once on a canal that looked up on to ome grazing land were they were sheep in then half way through they day heard yapping looked up there was russell wrrying the sheep chasing them round and round the women werent doing much to stop in then saw the two farmers walk up with spanniel and shotguns over there arms my dad said youv seen it then the farmer siad yep the little bastrad aint leaving the field just before they got up the lane the women managed to grab the dog and bugger of the farmers came back fuming thats only time iv seen a dog worry sheep xcept on heart beat with the sheep rustlers .lol anyway mate good luck with the dog

[juckler123 707]

I used to live in derbyshire and the farmer who`s land i lived on used to shoot em even if theyd been put back on the lead he never had any comebacks seen a few pets go that way but i could sympathise with him once went into a field where a rottie had killed 20 sheep then got itself caght in the sheep wire needless to say it got what it deserved its a tough thing when a dog gets into game it shouldnt trouble with sheep is the dogs can smell em from a distance but if your careful where you run[arable etc] no problem

[mad moustache 0]

shoot the bloody thing. the electric collar is no good when the trust has been broken. the collar would have worked when it was a pup but after two sheep the dogs buggered in my eyes. just hope the rest of your pack gets the message, a bit of retraining and increase the stock contact as much as possible will help heaps.

i totaly disagree with u kiwi the electric collar is very efective at any age and because its had two sheep dosent matter i can garantee if the collar is used correctly it will cure the problem NO NEED TO SHOOT THE DOG :ph34r:

 

what part off the country you from brock i might be able to get u a loan of a collar ?

[foxlamper 5]

yea mate try the electric coller if it was mine it would of ad a magnam behing its ear

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Brock-Take no notice of the hard men on here .They probably cant train a dog to any standard .Car ,slip ,kennel merchants.The fact that your dog may have seen a deer is no excuse for worrying either.Dogs chase sheep because they are slow ,easy and noisy.A dog of any sort easily distinguishes between what its allowed to hunt and what its not.These lessons need reinforcing sometimes ,especially as in your case ,the dog was lead astray by another untrained dog .It happens . The pack urge is still strong in all our breeds.

In the use of the collar mate ,no matter which type -You need to zap the dog as it attacks the sheep and not while its running to it .The dog SHOULD run around looking for the source of the pain .Call the dog and make a lot of fuss,walking in the opposite direction to the sheep.Sheep/ pain is the objective .Repeat if necessary,but not in the same session.Good luck.

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

Muzzel the dog & put it in a shed with a yew & its lamb the yew will sort the dogs head out

[Straightline 0]

i wont be shooting the dog,only bad dog men and fools do that,its the easy way out,no dog deserves that.

the bitch was killing hares from the first time she went out,im hopeing she is gonna be a decent animal.

thanks for all the positive advice tho lads,i will keep trying,i dont give up on dogs untill im out of ideas.

my dogs are with me to stay,not to be sold or swopped,or shot at random.

Nice 1 Brock was waiting for someone to speak sense rather than put themselves up as the latest V.Diesal/Hard Man. Its not hard and its not clever to shoot a dog and for your info Brock, her brother was the same. Its taken me 2 months of repetitive warnings and close control and it seams to have worked. Dont give up, the hard work will be worth it.

[logman 0]

What you do with your dog is your own bussiness.

I think its a bit rich of some people on here though to discredit people for saying that it should be put down,legally it should.

I have never heard of anyone on this site defending the actions of a fox killing spring lambs,and we all(myself included) call it pest control when we cull the fox in whatever way. In my opinion a dog that has started to kill stock is itself a pest, and so should also be culled.

This is only my opinion, but if it were my land/animals then it would be a long time before i gave permission to anybody with working dogs to come on it again.This sort of thing happening once does nothing to help the image of our sport, and happening twice is even worse.

[salclalin 240]

One hell of a thing to admit to Brock mate I had a bitch who was totally broken to all stock a few years back, i could walk her through anything without her looking at any stock.My brother who was on leave from the Army at the time took her out(without me knowing) while i was in work with some other lad's dog who wasn't stock broken,anyway the inevitable happened the other dog pulled a sheep and my bitch joined in :realmad:I took her out on my own she chased a ewe,gave her a Bollocking,next day the same thing happened,She didn't come home.I hope you have better success.

[w1cul 1]

Muzzel the dog & put it in a shed with a yew & its lamb the yew will sort the dogs head out

 

 

that works a treat, or even a bloody big ram.

 

or you could go and compensate the farmer and let him judge your dog.

[Guest mucker]

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY TRIED OR SEEN IT DONE WHERE YOU STICK THE DOG IN WITH A RAM ETC.

I READ ABOUT IT ONCE IN A PLUMMER BOOK, AND DOZENS OF FOLK HAVE SUGGESTED IT OVER THE YEARS BUT NEITHER HAVE DONE IT.