steviebhoy 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yet again, someone posts crap to give the antis more ammo, the likes of the RSPB & the RSPCA love this kind of shite. Talk about dangers to gameshooting, one post like this will do more fecking damage than 1000 buzzards.. Gamekeepers get enough stick for the alleged persecution of protected species, shite like this does them no favours, IMHO. Think you better get your specs on and read the f###ing post again. Its a topic to see what opinions people have on rising Buzzard numbers and should there be a cull? That response about sums up why it's not worth having a debate about things on here these days. Pish! You have just realised that your post was utter garbage and now want to back track. If my post began "I like to kill Buzzards" then you would have a genuine point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yet again, someone posts crap to give the antis more ammo, the likes of the RSPB & the RSPCA love this kind of shite. Talk about dangers to gameshooting, one post like this will do more fecking damage than 1000 buzzards.. Gamekeepers get enough stick for the alleged persecution of protected species, shite like this does them no favours, IMHO. Think you better get your specs on and read the f###ing post again. Its a topic to see what opinions people have on rising Buzzard numbers and should there be a cull? That response about sums up why it's not worth having a debate about things on here these days. Pish! You have just realised that your post was utter garbage and now want to back track. If my post began "I like to kill Buzzards" then you would have a genuine point. Not pish mate, not at all. Are you not aware of the smear campaigns by the RSPB on gamekeepers? Some things are too sensitive to be debated on here with some of the replies that are mindlessly tapped out by morons, wannabe hardmen, etc. Subjects like that do us more harm than good on a place like this, you asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and you replied with a fecking childish answer. Enough said. Oh, and to you too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zig zag wanderer 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Slugs,Snails,Worms What a load of crap The first rule of being a hunter is know your quarry. You obviously have a lot to learn about the Buzzard's diet. Yet again, someone posts crap to give the antis more ammo, the likes of the RSPB & the RSPCA love this kind of shite. Just to set the record straight I'm pro hunt, anti ArcePCA and have not much time for RSPB or other seudo environmental/wildlife organisations. I'm a pest controller and trapper but wildlife management is a balance. Gamekeepers get enough stick for the alleged persecution of protected species, shite like this does them no favours, IMHO. It's not alleged, it's real persecution born out of ignorance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yet again, someone posts crap to give the antis more ammo, the likes of the RSPB & the RSPCA love this kind of shite. Talk about dangers to gameshooting, one post like this will do more fecking damage than 1000 buzzards.. Gamekeepers get enough stick for the alleged persecution of protected species, shite like this does them no favours, IMHO. Think you better get your specs on and read the f###ing post again. Its a topic to see what opinions people have on rising Buzzard numbers and should there be a cull? That response about sums up why it's not worth having a debate about things on here these days. Pish! You have just realised that your post was utter garbage and now want to back track. If my post began "I like to kill Buzzards" then you would have a genuine point. Not pish mate, not at all. Are you not aware of the smear campaigns by the RSPB on gamekeepers? Some things are too sensitive to be debated on here with some of the replies that are mindlessly tapped out by morons, wannabe hardmen, etc. Subjects like that do us more harm than good on a place like this, you asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and you replied with a fecking childish answer. Enough said. Oh, and to you too! You never gave me an opinion on the question i asked. You then decided to lecture me on a subject that i know plenty about i can asure you of that. If you have read 1 of the other posters comments on here about the Buzzards diet and "why do keepers lose sleep over it" then you will see what others think about them and these were the responses i was interested in. If you had answered my question 1st and then made your thoughts on my choice of post then you might have got a better reply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zerky 133 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 My aunty has quite large dairy farm not to far from where I live and one morning her and her father counted in one field dont get me wrong its about a 35 acre field. Dont know which is more plentiful in parts of south Wales moles or buzzards Im not a bull shiter mate. A day or to later they counted 101. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 You never gave me an opinion on the question i asked. You then decided to lecture me on a subject that i know plenty about i can asure you of that. If you have read 1 of the other posters comments on here about the Buzzards diet and "why do keepers lose sleep over it" then you will see what others think about them and these were the responses i was interested in.If you had answered my question 1st and then made your thoughts on my choice of post then you might have got a better reply. OK mate, fair play your right, I suppose was too defensive with my original post, sorry about that. My views on the matter are, that the countyside as we know it exists today, due to the way man has manipulated it for hundreds of years. It is not a natural environment, it exists as it is today, because of the way that man has looked after it, be it for shooting, farming, whatever. The population of predators, is therefore linked to man's use of the land. These numbers need to be kept in check, because they are in an environment that they haven't evolved to live in. There's a fine line between persecution & control, and a fine balance should be maintained, to ensure that the population remains at a constant. That's my view, and it's only my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevegg 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Never seen one 'til a few years ago, now I could guarantee seeing one. Had my pigeon decoys footed by buzzards a couple of times as well, even though they were plastic! Kev. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roebuck220 80 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Must have been some slugs under your decoys mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 You never gave me an opinion on the question i asked. You then decided to lecture me on a subject that i know plenty about i can asure you of that. If you have read 1 of the other posters comments on here about the Buzzards diet and "why do keepers lose sleep over it" then you will see what others think about them and these were the responses i was interested in.If you had answered my question 1st and then made your thoughts on my choice of post then you might have got a better reply. OK mate, fair play your right, I suppose was too defensive with my original post, sorry about that. My views on the matter are, that the countyside as we know it exists today, due to the way man has manipulated it for hundreds of years. It is not a natural environment, it exists as it is today, because of the way that man has looked after it, be it for shooting, farming, whatever. The population of predators, is therefore linked to man's use of the land. These numbers need to be kept in check, because they are in an environment that they haven't evolved to live in. There's a fine line between persecution & control, and a fine balance should be maintained, to ensure that the population remains at a constant. That's my view, and it's only my opinion. Thanks for that Maltenby i knew you would see sense after all I totally agree with your last post and started this topic not to cause an arguement but find out peoples thoughts on a cull and how they would feel about so. The Buzzard is a magnificent bird and i for 1 would hate to see the eradication of it but they are increasing at a high rate and something now should be done to control these ever soaring numbers. Thanks for a bit of banter anyway its passed the night away nicely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zig zag wanderer 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 "Buzzards eat principally small rodents, but also take birds, reptiles, amphibians, larger insects and earthworms. Prey up to 500g is taken by active predation, anything heavier is usually carrion or seriously enfeebled individuals. Gamebirds are sometimes taken, though they make up only a tiny proportion of the total number of pheasants and red-legged partridges released for shooting. Carrion can form a significant part of buzzard diet, although the amount of carrion taken varies a lot from place to place. Buzzards use three main hunting techniques. They locate prey from a perch and then fly direct to it, sometimes using intervening cover for a surprise attack. They often soar over open terrain, occasionally hanging in the wind or hovering before dropping on to the prey and following up the attack on the ground. They are also commonly seen walking or standing on the ground whilst looking for invertebrates." Just google and you will find. Alternatively pick up any decent bird book. Even better open your eyes and see for yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 380 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 plenty around the scottish borders and they are on the increase year on year on our patch don't have to much problems with poult kills as we knock off lots of bunnies and leave them for the buzzards until the poults educate themselfs against the dangers the only real threat on our patch is the buzzards seam to stop the birds from moving from wood to wood by worrying them from fence posts and poles.Don't realy know the ins and outs of what they eat but i did watch one pick up a mixy rabbit and then fly up with it and drop it and then had it for its dinner.So yes the numbers are on the up as for a cull i think if their are to many buzzads and not enough supply of natural food for them and they start to go for game then possibly some sort of licence could apply to control their numbers.Now this cull would not be for the sole protection of game because the way i see it this food supply of game would support and help a false number of young buzzards to suvive up untill the winter when by then the game birds have been shot or disspersed in the area so then their won't be enuogh prey arround for all the buzzards to survive.I hope this makes sense just my take on the subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I wouldn't agree with a cull of buzzards up here theyve only began to get a small foothold after years of persecution, reducing numbers for the sake of a few fat guys in tweeds blasting anything that moves couple of times a year is wrong thats why a number of our native birds of prey are in decline. Maybe if the farmers and their cohorts stopped poisoning and inflicting disease on the rabbit population there would be enough food to go round. Theres probably more game birds killed on roads than took by raptors. No doubt I will get my balls rattled for this so I'm assuming the position as I type. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 "Buzzards eat principally small rodents, but also take birds, reptiles, amphibians, larger insects and earthworms. Prey up to 500g is taken by active predation, anything heavier is usually carrion or seriously enfeebled individuals. Gamebirds are sometimes taken, though they make up only a tiny proportion of the total number of pheasants and red-legged partridges released for shooting. Carrion can form a significant part of buzzard diet, although the amount of carrion taken varies a lot from place to place. Buzzards use three main hunting techniques. They locate prey from a perch and then fly direct to it, sometimes using intervening cover for a surprise attack. They often soar over open terrain, occasionally hanging in the wind or hovering before dropping on to the prey and following up the attack on the ground. They are also commonly seen walking or standing on the ground whilst looking for invertebrates." Just google and you will find. Alternatively pick up any decent bird book. Even better open your eyes and see for yourself. I have never doubted you on what a Buzzard eats in a lifetime and i am sure everything you have listed is on the menu and many more......but the fact is in the 2/3 months of the year that poults are released they take a hammering from not only Buzzards but other birds of prey as well. Also as Hily has stated in another post the constant harrassing of birds is another factor in the world of gamekeeping. I am sure if i google "fox hunting" i will find thousands of info' of how this cruel and barbaric sport has gone on for generations but the majority of it will be nonsense and far from the truth. I do not know what your experience[if any] of gamekeeping is but it is a very hard job at the best of times without the constant threat of buzzards decimating bird stock. It is not unusual for a Buzzard to take 2/3 poults EVERY day and in the vast numbers that we are seeing around the country it is not long before the numbers of poults death are in the hundreds. I am sure we all know that a few keepers/land owners take the law into there own hands as we see in paper articles, magazines and news reports but it is now time to get something into place where numbers can be controlled. Fineing and jailing people is not the way forward but "culling" to protect what is rightfully yours is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I wouldn't agree with a cull of buzzards up here theyve only began to get a small foothold after years of persecution, reducing numbers for the sake of a few fat guys in tweeds blasting anything that moves couple of times a year is wrong thats why a number of our native birds of prey are in decline. Maybe if the farmers and their cohorts stopped poisoning and inflicting disease on the rabbit population there would be enough food to go round. Theres probably more game birds killed on roads than took by raptors. No doubt I will get my balls rattled for this so I'm assuming the position as I type. Thats because you know your talking shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) I wouldn't agree with a cull of buzzards up here theyve only began to get a small foothold after years of persecution, reducing numbers for the sake of a few fat guys in tweeds blasting anything that moves couple of times a year is wrong thats why a number of our native birds of prey are in decline. Maybe if the farmers and their cohorts stopped poisoning and inflicting disease on the rabbit population there would be enough food to go round. Theres probably more game birds killed on roads than took by raptors. No doubt I will get my balls rattled for this so I'm assuming the position as I type. Thats because you know your talking shite. Hey you asked , if you wanted only folk who would agree with you you shouldn't have asked for an opinion....I think malt called it right about you mate. Edited January 23, 2009 by undisputed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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