flyinbonnie 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 i have a 9month old bull greyhound which i have just started on the lamp, i have done everything with him which i have done with previous dogs which have turned out credible dogs! took him out with experienced dogs, got him used to the lamp etc and he runs the beam champion and i cant fault his effort and ability to strike his quarry (rabbits at the moment) in which he has hardly missed a one. The problem starts once he has caught he will not bring it anywere near me and will not give it up, he plays with it in typical puppy fashion running away when approched and not listening or taking any blind notice of his recall. what i need is some tips which could encourage him to forget his ignorance and start to understand what he must do! anthing will be appreciated thankyou. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 He's still young yet, he'll get better in time. Slightly off topic, but friends of ours got given a lurcher off a gamekeeper years ago. They ran him on fox, no problem. They tried him on rabbits though, and after he'd caught the first rabbit, he took off with it into the distance. By the time they caught up with him about 3 fields away, the rabbit was half buried in the corner of the field! Turns out the dog had never ran rabbits before, it'd been used solely for Charlie! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
8shot 192 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 try walking the oppisite way from him and if needs be get out of site it might work but im not a dog trainer good luck atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
furdy 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 He's not ready to be working the lamp or running quarry if he still messes around. Everyone enters dogs at different ages, I tend to wait longer than most but whatever age you decide is right for your dog, not you but the dog, now is not the time. Stop running him at rabbits and go back to basics, i.e. Recall and retrieve. When that is solid then get him back out on the light. Try retrieving at night with the light. And run him solo, being with other dogs can set uo competition. If you keep letting him do this it will be hard to break later when he's older and could also lead to aggression when he doesn't want to give up his prize. Good luck... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyinbonnie 0 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 cheers for your thoughts guys! its a hard one because hes 100% retrieving balls, toys etc and is a pretty obidient pup but obviously something isnt right cos his brother is bringing them straight back and myn is the complete opposite maybe he just isnt ready yet and i should leave him for a month or so and try again. treats dont make a diffrence to him and walking away means he just follows on but will not leave the rabbit nor come any closer than 15yards from me, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 much too young IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
furdy 0 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dont start giving him treats as it can lead to spitting the quarry or dummy. They come in and expect to be given food so drop what they are holding in anticipation. They are all different, dont really matter what his brother does its what he does that should be your guide. He just needs more time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky 3,325 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 i have a 9month old bull greyhound which i have just started on the lamp, i have done everything with him which i have done with previous dogs which have turned out credible dogs! took him out with experienced dogs, got him used to the lamp etc and he runs the beam champion and i cant fault his effort and ability to strike his quarry (rabbits at the moment) in which he has hardly missed a one. The problem starts once he has caught he will not bring it anywere near me and will not give it up, he plays with it in typical puppy fashion running away when approched and not listening or taking any blind notice of his recall. what i need is some tips which could encourage him to forget his ignorance and start to understand what he must do! anthing will be appreciated thankyou. What i was told 40years ago by a man who new a lot was,just sit there ,keep still ,be quiet,ignore the dog,when it comes to you fuss it give it pat,take the rabbit and put it away , ,be patient,this worked for me twice with beddy xs ,allthough they never really retrieved to hand ,they were happy to drop them on the ground about ten foot away,a little bit dead,which was good enough for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
threbb 0 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 i have a 9month old bull greyhound which i have just started on the lamp, i have done everything with him which i have done with previous dogs which have turned out credible dogs! took him out with experienced dogs, got him used to the lamp etc and he runs the beam champion and i cant fault his effort and ability to strike his quarry (rabbits at the moment) in which he has hardly missed a one. The problem starts once he has caught he will not bring it anywere near me and will not give it up, he plays with it in typical puppy fashion running away when approched and not listening or taking any blind notice of his recall. what i need is some tips which could encourage him to forget his ignorance and start to understand what he must do! anthing will be appreciated thankyou. Why suprised? when a pup acts like a pup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyinbonnie 0 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 who says anything about suprized?? all i am after is a few tips off experienced lurcher men is that ok ?? :wacko: one thing i defo have is time so he will certainly get that thanks all who replied Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lampinglurcher 36 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 wait another couple of months before hunting with him again. if he picks up bad habits like that now it'll be hard to train out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Back to basics. A greyhound is much quicker to pick things up than say, a first colliegreyhound, or a saluki. So i feel not enough training has gone in to the retrieve section. Dont hunt him till he is at least 12months plus. And then he may still be to pupish to respond. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 9 months for a dog of that breeding is way to young: bones and joints not finished growing yet. Plus its going through the defiant stage where it challenges you: also the fact that he won't retrieve 'his' rabbit means he is totally at the wrong time of his life to start lamping. Note: obviously this varies from dog to dog, but males generally take longer to finish growing up, both physically and mentally. Concentrate on giving him the right steady sort of exercise, getting a good bond, and retrieving dummies in the field, not just at home. He'll be spot on for next season if you can be patient and hold back now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pignut 4 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 All mine are trained to the word "dead". If we are playing fetch/retrieve in the garden with a ball or ring, the minute I say "dead", the dog drops the object and there is no argument and I can take it. It is a good word to use because it is short/sharp and there is no confusion with any other command. I would play lots of retrieiving games in a safe enclosed place using either praise or a treat as a reward. Get the dog bringing you back things, you say "****(insert name of dog) dead", they drop it. If the dog won't give up the quarry, look it in the eyes and use a very low tone of voice, ie no messing voice. Do not have other dogs around, they just get in the way and create a distraction and competition. If you can get one dog to do this, then others will copy. Mine all have learned off my lurcher who loves to retrieve and will bring you back anything. Now the terriers play the game too. And when it is REAL LIFE, they are fine about retrieiving stuff. The only dog it never worked with was a Bernese Mountain Dog, who was too thick to remember what she was doing. Every day was new for her! Work every day at this. Make it fun. Make it worth his while to bring something back to you. Why should he give up his "supper" to you? Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyinbonnie 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 im really greatful for the advice, stubborn he certainly is and a challenge but im going to have to go back to basics like you lot say and try a few things which have been brought up and hopefully time,effort, commitment will bring rewards to both myself and the dog. i will keep all updated on his progress if theres any Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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