Lurcher Dogs

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Pit bull dog over grey dam every time .The way I know it is the dam is usually the size and brains contributer and the dog influences the temperament and colour .Like someone said ,these crosses over here anyway are game to the end but need a firm hand regarding whats quarry and whats not ie-other dogs.

[justpiddlin76 0]

I believe that the young man meant that the video was done by a bunch of anti's, but I am not for sure. Either way though, it has been a good topic for me and I have enjoyed it. Most of the folks here talk way to much about this bloodline and that and breed because of who the dogs granddam or sire was and not on the merits of the particular piece of shit that they are feeding. I have heard more talk about paper breeding here than I can stand. I like the idea of registered dogs, but only for the record of breeding sake and not because of any other reason. Time for this fella to go drink a bunch of cold ones. I will catch ya'll later probably Monday cause I ain't got no computer at home. Plus gonna do some ridin on my mule this weekend and maybe a little coon huntin, but I doubt it.

 

Dan Edwards

[Guest pat-r-dale]

I must say ive really enjoyed reading this topic, its aomething i havent come accross before and it sounds like f*****g awsome sport dont you think!!

Just reading it made me want to get me boots on go get me dogs out of the kennels and go and kill something, anything!!!

More posts from the American guys about this would be most appreciated!

[inan 841]

My name is Dan Edwards and I am from central Illinois in the United States. First off, I would like to say that I really enjoy these lurcher sites and especially this one because there is a lot of reality on these sites and not a whole lot of BS. I want to ask folks opinions about catching coyote and if there is anybody on here that has done much of it. I have been catchin coyotes for a couple of years and it is really hard work for my dogs. I just recently bred my best coyote catchin gyp to a greyhound cross of some sorts, mostly grey though. These yotes can run extremely fast and have ultimate endurance and so far I have been catchin them, but my dogs are completely taxed at the end of a hard race and it is extremely hard for them to kill a yote cause they fight like a cirlce saw. I am just wanting to hear from folks with experience in this field or even opinions of folks that know a little about what I am talking about. Coyotes are about 30 to 35 pounds normally which I don't know what that transfers to in kilos. They can run anywhere from 35 to 40 mph also and hold it for extreme distances. Once again no idea how many km/hour this is. At the end when your dogs do catch one, they are hard as hell to kill cause they fight very hard.

 

Dan Edwards

 

 

My name is Dan Edwards and I am from central Illinois in the United States. First off, I would like to say that I really enjoy these lurcher sites and especially this one because there is a lot of reality on these sites and not a whole lot of BS. I want to ask folks opinions about catching coyote and if there is anybody on here that has done much of it. I have been catchin coyotes for a couple of years and it is really hard work for my dogs. I just recently bred my best coyote catchin gyp to a greyhound cross of some sorts, mostly grey though. These yotes can run extremely fast and have ultimate endurance and so far I have been catchin them, but my dogs are completely taxed at the end of a hard race and it is extremely hard for them to kill a yote cause they fight like a cirlce saw. I am just wanting to hear from folks with experience in this field or even opinions of folks that know a little about what I am talking about. Coyotes are about 30 to 35 pounds normally which I don't know what that transfers to in kilos. They can run anywhere from 35 to 40 mph also and hold it for extreme distances. Once again no idea how many km/hour this is. At the end when your dogs do catch one, they are hard as hell to kill cause they fight very hard.

 

Dan Edwards

 

 

hi just piddlin im looking for coyote dog dvds or videos do you have any?or know any contacts in the states who might be able to help me? interesting post good hunting regards INAN>

[Kye 77]

Hi there Dan,..

Mate, im moving to MO in around 30 days..have the house sorted and everything!...so im in the state right next door!..

I have three (well the wife has one and i have two) Staghounds at the minute...mine are still young, but they have killed jack rabbits, cottontails, gray fox and a feral dog which weighed 60lbs...buy the time i got there the wild dog was dead (about 2 minutes)

 

You dont need any fancy cross's for Youtes Dan..theres dogs out there doing them...my youngest Gyps brother killed one at 14 months, single handed...he ran it down a culvert pipe, and drew it out and killed it...but hes a big dog at 31+" at the shoulder and 90lbs...

 

Your dogs might be hard for long runs because of all the Greyhound in them mate, and although you can get good Greyhound that fight a coyote well, they do only realy just FIGHT them...a good Stag KILLS them!

 

I have ran my dogs on 6 minute courses, on jack rabbits and have had them make kills, so i know there stamina is good, but i put most of it down to the hours of fitness training i do with them...i wont slip my dogs on game until there real fit...when i can drive in the truck for 10 miles at 8-10mph, thats when i know there ready for a run..

 

We should maybe hook up for a hunt this fall/winter?...im no way an exspert on any hunting..i juts like digging my terriers and running my sighthounds...there is a guy that sometimes comes on here who i got my dogs from...His handle is Badger...a more genuine guy i have yet to meet...his dogs are GREAT and they deal with all game the same, they just grab and kill it..

 

All the best

Kye,.

[justpiddlin76 0]

The litter was just born about 6 weeks ago, I guess. I just weaned them anyway so, I hope it was about 6 weeks ago. I had eleven pups. She had three females and 8 males. I knocked the 3 females in the head when they were born and while I was docking the male pups tails. Anyhow, then one of the males was kiled by a cat and taken off while the momma was away at about 3 weeks. I shot that friggin cat a day later. Then I culled 2 more males that just weren't as big and healthy lookin as the other 5 that I have left. Last night I shot a rabbit in the head and stripped the back fur off a little and them little boys about had the entire thing ate this morning. I believe they will be pretty descent dog or at least they better be around me or they won't live long. They are actually only about 3/8th greyhound and the rest just regular Walker hound and Mountain Cur. I really think that breeding these Mountain Curs into these greyhound type dogs is the way to go for this. Mountain Curs, for those of you who don't know, basically are a cross up of different pioneer dogs here in the United States. I like to dumb it down a little and say they are basically a cross between some hound blood and bull dog type terrier blood. Truthfully, nobody really knows exactly what went into makin them, but I bet if a fella took ya a terrier type pitbull and a plott hound or walker hound you would get pretty close to the same thing. I truly believe in these cur dogs and think they are really the way to go for what I like to do.

 

Dan Edwards

[Kye 77]

Well good luck with the hybrids mate...but i would say, if that type was succesful, all the coyote hunters would be breeding them, and NOT using Staghounds...

When breeding coyote killing dogs, you HAVE to breed from dogs that kill them...do any of the parents course/catch/kill coyotes?...im not having a go at you mate, i just dont want anyone getting pissed of with there dogs...if you start with the right dogs that are doing the business, theer is no need to "wonder" what cross would be most succesful...there are already dogs doing it...yeah, every now and then they might get a little slow, and someone will throw a hard greyhound in there...or they might start lacking the fighting/killing abailty, so they add a heavy type of dog in there...but on the whole, if you breed from Staghounds that kill coyotes, you have a better than average chance of getting a litter of coyote killers!..

All the best mate, we will have to hook up for a run on them praire wolfs!...they sure are a test 'aint they!

Kye,..

[justpiddlin76 0]

I was told that the male dog is exactly what you are talking about partner. Sorry if I didn't explain myself better. The folks that had him said that his momma and daddy were coyote bred dogs, but they didn't call them stags or anything like that. I never turned him loose on one so, I wouldn't know what he could do. I am just having fun though to be honest with ya. Yes, the mother of these pups will catch a coyote right now and has enough endurance to kill most any staghound you would run her with. She is lacking the speed, but the endurance she has. I do not dump on top of yotes here. I actually cast my dogs into the woods and they run them down and catch them whether still in the woods or if they yote jumps and heads across country. I totally agree with ya though that the staghounds are the best at being dumped and catching and killing. Heck if there was any around here, I would have some, but there just ain't any really.

 

Dan Edwards

[Ricky-N.p.p 0]

i couldnt get the pics

 

just kept putting me on another site...im not verry good with computers

 

any pointers as to how to get them ???

[Kye 77]

I know what your saying mate...alot of the guys that keep Stags just dump them outta rigs onto yotes.

To be honest though, i think its how you rear them mate...i use mine for hunting, not just coursing...they have to get out there and search for there game, jump it, then run and kill it...the guy that bred them does the same...the two Gyps have great scenting ability...my male has a good nose, but i like to keep one dog close incase summat breaks from cover andthe dogs doing the hunting cant see what they have flushed...you just have to use them for how you want them to be...if you get them out and exspose them, they will cast and hunt like any other type mate..

Kye..

[justpiddlin76 0]

They better do it cause I got a pretty itchy trigger finger. Partner them pictures might be gone by now. I will try to get some on here again. I suck at posting pictures though.

 

Dan Edwards

[Vermin Dropper 2]

Now don't get me wrong guys, I shoot, hunt, kill, fish and do as much field sports as possible.

 

so....is it just me or dont you give a shit about your dogs?

 

if the dog isn't doing the business for you, move them on, give them away, but to give them a lead sleaping pill just because they're not quite what you want just seems out of order to me.

 

I do love the yote hunting thread, and would like some pics up if there are any going.

 

like I said, I'm not against hunting in any form but killing your own dogs that you have reared and trained up is just shit.

[ratkilla 35]

if i was to pass a dog on as a pet id have it spay but i do agree with the lads that cull and only keep the best. I think id prefer to pts a dog than pass it on as you dont know how the dog will be treated the rest of its life. each to their own

[badger 91]

Hey Dan, nice to see you on here. Two types of hunting coyotes, using scent hounds (Walker, Trigg, July types) to run in rough cover can take hours but is fun, or coursing where staghounds run mostly by site and if they catch it is usually within 100 yards to a mile(maybe up to 2 miles but not often). There is a post some pages back in the lurcher section where Chilli posted some pics of my dogs at coyote catch"For Badger".

If you can call them in you can use the staghounds on any open area, but they have to have open room to get to the coyote. They will use their nose some, but nothing like a hound. But as far as "making" a fast coyote dog, ie. pitbull x greyhound, there is no need because the staghound has already been bred for it for decades if not longer, you just may not have met any in your part of the country. I have made bull crosses over the years and like them, but they are no better and not faster than the real deal coyote dog. Every guy that has visited from England I have hunted with is blown away by there speed, killing power, and "great feet". Even the best saluki x hare dogs here are usually blended with a percentage of staghound, not just greyhouond, as exampled by Dutch Salmon's blood, Delbert Hood's, Adalot's etc.(these guys have great hare dogs).

New guys always try to put something in there (Pit, airdale, great dane, etc., etc....) but when thay don't CATCH coyotes with the crosses, they either breed back to the proven blooded dogs or can the crosses and go straight back to the dogs that have been CULLED HARD for us for generations. If it worked it got to live and breed, if it didn't work...oh well. When crossed to scenthounds, very few, if any i have seen were fast enough to catch on the runup and tough enough to kill, or had good enough noses to run coyotes like a foxhound. Some strains of staghounds have enough nose to run some through CRP grass and such, but not cross country runs like a pack of Triggs.

just my opinion and experiences there, cause there are a lot of great hunters out west here I can't hold a candle to.

if i can help or you would like to go hunt, get ahold of me(especially if you have better than 20/20 vision lol)

[justpiddlin76 0]

Where are ya from Badger? I live in Dwight, IL. Anyhow, the gyp that these pups is out of is fast enough and has enough stamina to run in, jump, and catch coyotes. She just cannot kill one. I have been playin around with this only for a few years now, but have done real well. I like my dogs to be multi-purpose dogs though and that is why I will probably never own a staghound. My dogs have to be able to tree also. As far as culling goes, that is just how I do it. I don't impress my ways on no man and will not be put upon by no man neither. Culling dogs is part of our sport no matter how much I dislike to do it. Leaves a man always wondering if that dog was just given on more chance maybe it would have turned the corner, but deep inside I know it would have never. We don't all have to agree, but I do respect your opinion and would never try to tell you how to raise dogs sir.

 

Dan Edwards