Lurcher Dogs

[justpiddlin76 0]

My name is Dan Edwards and I am from central Illinois in the United States. First off, I would like to say that I really enjoy these lurcher sites and especially this one because there is a lot of reality on these sites and not a whole lot of BS. I want to ask folks opinions about catching coyote and if there is anybody on here that has done much of it. I have been catchin coyotes for a couple of years and it is really hard work for my dogs. I just recently bred my best coyote catchin gyp to a greyhound cross of some sorts, mostly grey though. These yotes can run extremely fast and have ultimate endurance and so far I have been catchin them, but my dogs are completely taxed at the end of a hard race and it is extremely hard for them to kill a yote cause they fight like a cirlce saw. I am just wanting to hear from folks with experience in this field or even opinions of folks that know a little about what I am talking about. Coyotes are about 30 to 35 pounds normally which I don't know what that transfers to in kilos. They can run anywhere from 35 to 40 mph also and hold it for extreme distances. Once again no idea how many km/hour this is. At the end when your dogs do catch one, they are hard as hell to kill cause they fight very hard.

 

Dan Edwards

[justpiddlin76 0]

Here is a picture of a yote and a couple of young dogs.

 

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=wk6cfk

[micheal rennicks 17]

Here is a picture of a yote and a couple of young dogs.

 

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=wk6cfk

good pics not surprised hard to kill,there big b....ds.id say something with saluki and bull in the mix for stamina and power.

[Guest JOEB]

Hello Mate, good to have you onboard

I think KYE from this site is the man for this question as , from what I can make out, hes and Englishman who has relocated to the States.

He should have experience of both sides.

All the best,

JOEB

[Guest mucker]

id be looking at what the boar lads are using something along those lines put over a deerhound or deerxgrey.

[Paid 935]

I agree that saluki types might be the awnser for the stamina.

 

Those 2 dogs with the coyote look small?

[bondy 0]

are you sure thats not a fukin wolf LOL :whistle:

[justpiddlin76 0]

They are a bit small, but that cause they are only about 6 months old at this time. I started these two dogs too young and regret it to this day cause I shot both of them for not makin the grade with me. I will always wonder if it was my fault or not. I don't think it was, but ya never really know. No, it is not a wolf, but it was an extremely large dog coyote that weighed in at 38 pounds and was mean for a while. I ended up having to shoot him cause he went in a tile and I could not catch him. I try to catch the live cause fellas will buy them off of ya for their pens. Anyhow, I like to catch yotes, but it is a tryin game and ya really need good dogs. It is a rare dog that can play this game. Speed is a factor, but most yotes can run at least 35 mph and a lot of them can run over 40. Endurance has caught me most yotes. I cast my dog into a timber a lot and listen for them explosion on the jump and then they usually come out a whirlin and fightin somewhere. I absolutely will not own a dog that just runs to run a track. I feed only run to catch type dogs. I don't mind goin to watch and listen to them running type hounds, but I don't want to own any myself. By the way this particular yote crossed the road in front of me and I jumped out and threw the dogs on him. They ran him for about 40 minutes and caught him in the middle of this stalk field. He never ran real hard cause he didn't have to considering all 5 dogs were pups. I killed one of the dogs right after I shot the yote cause that cowardly bitch wouldn't fight and bay. Only one dog out of them pups is still alive today and that is cause she has never quit and always fights to the very end. She is half Treeing Walker and half Kemmer Cur. She can run about 30 mph, but can hold speed around 25 forever and I do mean forever. She never tires that I have seen. I just bred her to the greyhound cross. I might have already said this above, but don't really remember so here it is again maybe.

 

Dan Edwards

 

I really like this sight gents. It seems to me ya'll are hard core. We don't have a whole lot of hard core folks left over here.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Sounds great mate ,never hunted in your country mate but for sheer guts to the end and decent stamina I would choose a bullxgreyhound every time.These dogs would I feel ,suit you running in twos.The biggest american pitbull to the fastest grey sounds good .Happy hunting and welcome to the site .

foxdropper.

[Guest oldskool]

Sounds great mate ,never hunted in your country mate but for sheer guts to the end and decent stamina I would choose a bullxgreyhound every time.These dogs would I feel ,suit you running in twos.The biggest american pitbull to the fastest grey sounds good .Happy hunting and welcome to the site .

foxdropper.

 

 

i wud certainly agree. doubled up, 2 game pit x greys will sort them out. and to make us even more jealous u guys will have the best pit blood available if the Off The Chain dvd is anything to go by. ive never seen gamer dogs until i watched it. shawn on the moocher site has a copy of it if anyone is interested.

[Guest mucker]

im surprised no ones mentioned minshaw lurchers yet

[DiStuRBeD 0]

why not just look at the yote hounds that have been bred to run, catch and kill for generations?

 

they have borzoi, deerhound and greyhound primarily in their makeup from what ive read they dont use saluki much, they dont like something that bites back

 

wish we had them here, closest thing we have to them is dingoes, ive never run dingoes, i understand doubled up with them is best, the other thing would be wild dogs over here

 

ive heard of ppl running them, never seen pics etc of it

[justpiddlin76 0]

To be honest there is not a lot of wolfhound type dogs here. Ya'll use them a heck of a lot more than folks around here do. They are mostly lawn ornaments or show ring dogs over here. The term running dog over here actually refers to hounds such as foxhounds. Here it is very hard to find a foxhound with the run to catch drive. A lot of them will trot around in a pen all day running the yote, but do not want to run down and catch and kill. I have seen many of these running dogs catch a bobcat on the ground and fight it and a whole pack of them couldn't kill it. At the same time a buddy of mine has a cur dog that will catch one and crush it within a minute. He has no back up and will grab one by the chest, pin it down, and crush it. Since some folks on here have the experience. Do pitbulls have running type endurance? This is a not BS question, I honestly do not know the answer to this. I know greyhounds for the most part here, do not have the endurance to catch coyotes the way that I do it. If you dump on top of them that is fine, but I don't always do it that way. I think I said this before, but I free cast my dogs a lot and also road them in front of the truck down old creek lines and such. Sometimes I will saddle up one of my mules and just keep them out in front of me a couple hundred yards. This way works real well cause they can wind them and then missle in on them and jump them up quick a lot of times. Some yotes don't even run real fast or long cause they get mad at being chased and turn to fight. If they see a truck or a man though, they shag ass on out. Please keep them replys comin folks. The question about the pitbull running endurance also please.

 

Dan Edwards

[Guest oldskool]

i do alot of lampin etc and the dog i run is impossible to tire out. shes 1/2 bull 1/4 whippet 1/4 grey. i definately think she gets the stamina from the bull side of the mix. my mates have bull x greys and they are all the same. even [bANNED TEXT] theyre not fit they still try hard.

[justpiddlin76 0]

I have another stupid question or two. First off, I am not new to dogs or hunting, but just like to get better at everything I do. With that being said, do the pups take after their mother more phenotypically or is it an even distribution or do ya never really know. I have been told that the size and such of dogs generally speakin follows the dam. I do believe this in a way cause I have a buddy that has had a lot of accidents on his farm cause he just don't really give a damn. He is a hillbilly for real. He had this old tough ass patterdale gyp that got bred by this mountain cur male dog he had and the pups were almost the same size as the gyp. I also seen a case where his little ass male terrier that he had runnin around bred one of his fox dogs and them pups were way bigger than the sire and dang near as big as the fox hound gyp, but they were all yellow and looked a lot like a Kemmer cur. Genetics are very hard to understand. I bred this Walker/Kemmer which is brown brindle with a lot of chrome to this black greyhound male dog. 3 or 4 of these dang pups came out lookin like a walker dog. One of is spotted piebald or whatever folks call it, but it's spots are brown brindle. I can't figure it out except for that the greyhound probable had a dash of hound in him way back. What I am gettin at with all this jibber jabber is that would it be best to take the male bulldog over the greyhound gyp? Thank you.

 

Dan Edwards