Guest night time my time Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Have had two the first was a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie best dog i ever had and could still take a hare at age 9 and was still catching odd bunnies up until she died at 13 years of age.The second also a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie is a good dog her only faults are slightly timid with strange people (my fault) and that she doesn't show any interest in charlie but i personally cant fault them and will probably get another one in the future!loada shit,,,i got a collie grey 12 yo, and a hancock collie grey 3 yo,compaired to my 12 yo, the 3 yo,hancock is useless,not drive,wont enter cover,even if it sees a rabbit in it,doesnt even catch as much as my old dog, That'll be the dog's fault then...nothing you did ouch, yes that will be my fault for takeing on a dogs from none working parants,all my other lurchers iv bred myself from working parants(6 others) have drive and work cover,shes energy to burn and is quick off the mark but pulls up at cover where as all the others will carry on and pick there rabbit,shes the only jacker iv got aswell,i like her though,she has her place when out mooching and is kept fit and well looked after etc, Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 i hunt any were mate big land scottish hill land next to ai bypass qaurrys any were , but i canrt see the sense in giving a guy money for non working parents , in the uk we have some good greyhounds and some of the best beardi collies border collies and there crosses , is it a thing to say i have a hanckock , im just trying to find out the reason people would go for non working parents and expect to get good dogs to me it would be alucky dip at times , im maybe wrong but i dont think so as ive had two one good and one no better than a greyhound full stop,does none of use like to see natural ability bred in with years of lineing good dog to good dog and them reproducing its self ,or is the easy road the best road for some by a pup if its shite well its hanckocks fault ,i live next to a greyhound trust william hill fund it very good greyhounds but only one or two you would take to breed good lurchers , just a bit bemused , Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 ye your going the way forward nite time my son , and youve went a step further than most on here , pulling up at cover at nite some times isnt afault if your poaching mate ie roe hits wood dog goes in dog goes thru wood , hornies or keepers come dogs still away. were if it pulls up once it hits a big wood, you have him back to heel and away to fech mate ,on to next feild , were we hunt open woods dogs can hit cover on roe and the odd rabbit but if a bit spikey, if poss you want them back sharpish at times bud , lost afew of my colli types and saluks three feilds on a moon and found them lying in ditch or next to fence with roe great when its good but a bugger when you have to depart , at times , cant have it all , this is when it was all legal Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 undisputed when i one the amman valley hunting trial with abeardi cross he bred he says il send you the photo ,never got one ,i phoned him a while back he says i bred my dogs for agility and obeidence now thta was from the mans own mouth not just working dogs , were as years ago 15 past he says he bred working lurchers time changes and so does the sale gimmick Quote Link to post
anythingoes 28 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) ye your going the way forward nite time my son , and youve went a step further than most on here , pulling up at cover at nite some times isnt afault if your poaching mate ie roe hits wood dog goes in dog goes thru wood , hornies or keepers come dogs still away. were if it pulls up once it hits a big wood, you have him back to heel and away to fech mate ,on to next feild , were we hunt open woods dogs can hit cover on roe and the odd rabbit but if a bit spikey, if poss you want them back sharpish at times bud , lost afew of my colli types and saluks three feilds on a moon and found them lying in ditch or next to fence with roe great when its good but a bugger when you hf have to depart , at times , cant have it all , this is when it was all legal breading goes a long way thats why people travel for studding and for pups as long as both partys get there due ,,,,,,,, i'e the price of of a pup !!! ( the unwriten rule )! ! i have a lot of educated family with good jobs and pay so i have the breading so i should be the same ,, thats just a help along the way ! training and effort has also a big part !!!!!! atb anythingoes Edited January 20, 2009 by anythingoes Quote Link to post
doga 50 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 win mate you say there is good stuff about and theere is but they are few and far between,sure if you listen to folks they bang on how good but how much truth in it,unless you know the parents how would you know, see what im gettin at.thing with hancock is not the name never was for me as the availability and he was local,on saying that the last bitch i had was a good bitch and i dont say that lightly she did all that you say,the bitch here now is bred different but does well in other ways,she has never been to red uns very few about but since she has come of age she will get her chance,the dog works fure and feather and all feather as well,she will retrieve off water like a spaniel no doubt so whats wrong in her,ferrets well 100% marking good we nets i send her into dark and she pushes to long nets leaving them when they hit,take her on the lamp and she will make a good acount of her self and we have hard land here,she does well night shooting also.peice of mind getting what you ask for also is a part of it.dont think i dont under stand your thinking i do but you should maybe not so quick to nock others.you are luvky with availability.al the best doga. Quote Link to post
Guest night time my time Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 ye your going the way forward nite time my son , and youve went a step further than most on here , pulling up at cover at nite some times isnt afault if your poaching mate ie roe hits wood dog goes in dog goes thru wood , hornies or keepers come dogs still away. were if it pulls up once it hits a big wood, you have him back to heel and away to fech mate ,on to next feild , were we hunt open woods dogs can hit cover on roe and the odd rabbit but if a bit spikey, if poss you want them back sharpish at times bud , lost afew of my colli types and saluks three feilds on a moon and found them lying in ditch or next to fence with roe great when its good but a bugger when you have to depart , at times , cant have it all , this is when it was all legal breading goes a long way thats why people travel for studding and for pups ! i have a lot of educated family with good jobs and pay so i have the breading ,, thats just a help along the way ! training and effort has also a big part !!!!!! atb anythingoes i got f**k all, thats why i breed my own dogs, my line started for 20 quid,and i got the breeding too,paying big money garrentees you nothing mate,putting worker to worker makes good breeding,do you breed from your good breeding?? and what breeds are these lurchers if you dont mind me asking?? Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 training and effort does help big style but no good if its not got the breeding bud look at all the feildtrail spaneils derby greyhounds coursing greyhounds working terreirs they were not many chance breedings thats for sure , i think its the same with lurchers no matter what you have or what cross ,you have to breed from dogs witth good feet pace natural ability , only way i see it mate , i tell you if i thought hanckock was the anser i wouldnt go the lenth and breadth to fing good stamps , i think nowadays you have to see adog and see if it has ability ,the way forward , maybe wrong but how else can you reproduce anything goes Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) i hunt any were mate big land scottish hill land next to ai bypass qaurrys any were , but i canrt see the sense in giving a guy money for non working parents , in the uk we have some good greyhounds and some of the best beardi collies border collies and there crosses , is it a thing to say i have a hanckock , im just trying to find out the reason people would go for non working parents and expect to get good dogs to me it would be alucky dip at times , im maybe wrong but i dont think so as ive had two one good and one no better than a greyhound full stop,does none of use like to see natural ability bred in with years of lineing good dog to good dog and them reproducing its self ,or is the easy road the best road for some by a pup if its shite well its hanckocks fault ,i live next to a greyhound trust william hill fund it very good greyhounds but only one or two you would take to breed good lurchers , just a bit bemused , I dont know! is it a thing to have a hancock? I doubt it though you would have to ask everyone who bought one their reasons. No Lurcher pup comes with a guarantee anyone who tells you different is talking pish. You can guess at shape conformity, size etc but even the best bred dog will fail in the wrong hands. In answer to your other point about breeding, I dont have the facilities or the time or inclination to breed anymore litters and I doubt most folk have. So that leaves a wee niche in the market for folk who are willing to sell and good luck to them. It's a nonsense arguement everytime a thread goes up mentioning the "dreaded hancock x" You've had good and bad experiences with them so have a lot of folk I doubt theres anyone out there thats bred litters were they know how all the pups turned out. I much prefer to go to somewhere were I will be able to pick the dog I want than to phone someone who's put an add in the paper who will most likely have had the pick of the litter then his mates then what's left you get to pick from. Seems more of a lottery to me than going to Hancock. Edited January 20, 2009 by undisputed Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 its not about money the lurchers its about performance and giving a few pups to the [bANNED TEXT] FELLOWS so you get feed back if poss my mate one the cambridge cup twice with well bred saluks simliar to your pup a bit ,but he gave me lineings for nothing apart from i do him the odd favour if needed, you pay what you can afford or barter ,how much does hanckock charge now Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 its not about money the lurchers its about performance and giving a few pups to the [bANNED TEXT] FELLOWS so you get feed back if poss my mate one the cambridge cup twice with well bred saluks simliar to your pup a bit ,but he gave me lineings for nothing apart from i do him the odd favour if needed, you pay what you can afford or barter ,how much does hanckock charge now Last time I was there was 3yr ago £175 I think I paid. Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 its not about money the lurchers its about performance and giving a few pups to the [bANNED TEXT] FELLOWS so you get feed back if poss my mate one the cambridge cup twice with well bred saluks simliar to your pup a bit ,but he gave me lineings for nothing apart from i do him the odd favour if needed, you pay what you can afford or barter ,how much does hanckock charge now Thats all well and fine mate if you got the people who will take them...and thats my point if you buy from the paper or what ever its down to chance that you'll get a good one or not the ones being sold on after you and your mates have had their pick arnt good enough for you so why should they be good enough for someone else....theres a lot of luck involved no matter what folk argue imo. Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 i agree in some pionts about you way of thinking about hanckock , ye he has plenty to choose from thtas for sure and like any supermarket you have more choise thats for sure to get what you like, and there probaly not many genuine types who no there breeding or keep records, there are at the coursing game i know that for sure ,but the old lurcher all rounders i only no a few in my time ,i suppose hanckocks easy as you can phone any time and heel have something for you ,just find it hard and a chancy way to get a pup cheers good topic Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 i agree in some pionts about you way of thinking about hanckock , ye he has plenty to choose from thtas for sure and like any supermarket you have more choise thats for sure to get what you like, and there probaly not many genuine types who no there breeding or keep records, there are at the coursing game i know that for sure ,but the old lurcher all rounders i only no a few in my time ,i suppose hanckocks easy as you can phone any time and heel have something for you ,just find it hard and a chancy way to get a pup cheers good topic No worries mate its good to debate things....if it was a cousing dog I was after then I would look elsewhere Quote Link to post
Guest night time my time Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 its not about money the lurchers its about performance and giving a few pups to the [bANNED TEXT] FELLOWS so you get feed back if poss my mate one the cambridge cup twice with well bred saluks simliar to your pup a bit ,but he gave me lineings for nothing apart from i do him the odd favour if needed, you pay what you can afford or barter ,how much does hanckock charge now Last time I was there was 3yr ago £175 I think I paid. you could of got somthing decent for that out of workers for less than that,seriously,doesnt it bother you to walk round that place and see dogs kept like pigs? i never got mine from him,i got it to use if one of mine was injoured,she was from pikeys and is now in a good home exercised daily and well looked after,i have been there and chatted at lenth with the ol boy,took good advice on breeding,even lived after drinking out of one of their cups but,come on mate Quote Link to post
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