Kay 3,709 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 The condition John is very likely refering to is Aplastic anemia Aplastic anemia in ferrets refers to bone marrow suppression, resulting in a complete loss of red blood cells in the bone marrow. If an unsterilized female comes into heat, she will stay in heat indefinitely and during this period, her estrogen levels will remain high and be very toxic to her bone marrow. This can be fatal to your ferret. Its up to you what you do but theres loads of info out there regarding this condition, all it means id you need to get any jills out of season , the usualll methods are speying vasectomised hob a litter ot a jill jab keeping her clean will naturally help but you would keep any ferret clean regardless of time of year anyway , all i can sugest is you have a think about what ferrets you want & if you decide on jills then act accordingly as to there future welfare during the months there in season Quote Link to post
The one 8,481 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Have a think about how much work you have for them once ,twice a week or a bit more ,I tend to allow one ferret per ten holes when im out .Then you will know if your wanting one ,two or three ferrets Quote Link to post
para1 11 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I added the MAY to johns post, as although he has had a jill die from non mating, as have I (many years ago) its NOT gurantee'd that they will die Stubby did you have a postmortem done on the ferret that died,do you know if John had one done(just very curious mate) P1 Quote Link to post
stealthy1 3,964 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Give in mate and get your self a couple of bum boys, from what you say, jills seem like they are to much hard work for you! Quote Link to post
ellir0305 9 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Give in mate and get your self a couple of bum boys, from what you say, jills seem like they are to much hard work for you! # no offence to any body but in any animal its just NOT RIGHT, but it may be the only way for my ferrets at this rate. i am confused though because if this anemia is so serious how do some people keep them without it affecting them and them eventually dying of old age? Quote Link to post
Kay 3,709 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Give in mate and get your self a couple of bum boys, from what you say, jills seem like they are to much hard work for you! # no offence to any body but in any animal its just NOT RIGHT, but it may be the only way for my ferrets at this rate. i am confused though because if this anemia is so serious how do some people keep them without it affecting them and them eventually dying of old age? By using one of the methods to bring the jill out of season , its not rocket science , ferrets like everything else can & do die for no apparent reason , so if you give them a decent life, food wise & good husbandry they will live as long as they live bar an accident of some kind The average age is around 7 , some die sooner some live into double figures Quote Link to post
ellir0305 9 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Give in mate and get your self a couple of bum boys, from what you say, jills seem like they are to much hard work for you! # no offence to any body but in any animal its just NOT RIGHT, but it may be the only way for my ferrets at this rate. i am confused though because if this anemia is so serious how do some people keep them without it affecting them and them eventually dying of old age? By using one of the methods to bring the jill out of season , its not rocket science , ferrets like everything else can & do die for no apparent reason , so if you give them a decent life, food wise & good husbandry they will live as long as they live bar an accident of some kind The average age is around 7 , some die sooner some live into double figures no i mean without using any of those methods as people have said this! Quote Link to post
para1 11 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Give in mate and get your self a couple of bum boys, from what you say, jills seem like they are to much hard work for you! # no offence to any body but in any animal its just NOT RIGHT, but it may be the only way for my ferrets at this rate. i am confused though because if this anemia is so serious how do some people keep them without it affecting them and them eventually dying of old age? Some people on here are full of shite.One Minuit its the rescue centers are full of unwanted kits the next Minuit its if you don't breed from your ferret its going to die of some horrible disease they have read about in some book or looked up on the Internet. Kids cannot afford to get jill jabs,sniped hobs,and don't want to loose their pets. Instead of frightening them with this crap we should be encouraging them not to breed because they won't loose their ferret if they look after it. I have kept ferrets for more years than most of you have been on this planet I know men that have never bred yet their ferrets have lived well past their working lives. I say to you young ferret keepers do not listen to this bullshit feed them well,keep them clean,watered and they will give you many years of good service.Above all enjoy your ferrets handle them daily and with a bit of luck they will catch a few bunnies. Quote Link to post
ellir0305 9 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Some people on here are full of shite.One Minuit its the rescue centers are full of unwanted kits the next Minuit its if you don't breed from your ferret its going to die of some horrible disease they have read about in some book or looked up on the Internet. Kids cannot afford to get jill jabs,sniped hobs,and don't want to loose their pets. Instead of frightening them with this crap we should be encouraging them not to breed because they won't loose their ferret if they look after it. I have kept ferrets for more years than most of you have been on this planet I know men that have never bred yet their ferrets have lived well past their working lives. I say to you young ferret keepers do not listen to this bullshit feed them well,keep them clean,watered and they will give you many years of good service.Above all enjoy your ferrets handle them daily and with a bit of luck they will catch a few bunnies. thank you very much i was scared at the price it was going to cost but this has given ne hope and i can save that money for a finder, there may be some more questions nearer to the time but good news. a have secured a second permission for when my ferts are ready to roll. i cant wait gettingthe mesh for my hutch tomorrow and concreting the shed on sunday (all systems go) thanks again rob Quote Link to post
stubby 175 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Stubby did you have a postmortem done on the ferret that died,do you know if John had one done(just very curious mate) P1 It was about 20years ago, I had gone away for a few days and left the jill in the hands of my now ex wife, she had not kept the cage clean, just chucked in food, on my return I took her to the "blue cross" as she was on her last legs, she died two days later, and they informed me the reason Quote Link to post
Kay 3,709 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well i sugest if everyones full of shite do the looking for yourself , aplastic anemia exists & can cause problems if there left in prolonged season, fact, you asked the questions , you were given opinions And for the record i didnt sugest they had to be breed, they need bringing out of season because there induced ovulators & that means the hormone levels are higher & thats is what causes the red blood cell problems hence the anemia To be honest your looking for the cheapo option, you want ferrets but you dont want to have to do anything other than feed them cost wise , well dont we all in an ideal world Quote Link to post
doddsy1970 9 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Some people on here are full of shite.One Minuit its the rescue centers are full of unwanted kits the next Minuit its if you don't breed from your ferret its going to die of some horrible disease they have read about in some book or looked up on the Internet. Kids cannot afford to get jill jabs,sniped hobs,and don't want to loose their pets. Instead of frightening them with this crap we should be encouraging them not to breed because they won't loose their ferret if they look after it. I have kept ferrets for more years than most of you have been on this planet I know men that have never bred yet their ferrets have lived well past their working lives. I say to you young ferret keepers do not listen to this bullshit feed them well,keep them clean,watered and they will give you many years of good service.Above all enjoy your ferrets handle them daily and with a bit of luck they will catch a few bunnies. Yes some people on here are full of shite as you put it but some people on here are also very knowledgable and should be given a bit of respect because of that. It wasn,t that long ago that people said that you could feed ferrets bread and milk, but would you do that now? I doubt it!! It is a PROVEN fact that leaving a jill in season can shorten her life, this is caused by the high levels of oestrogen in her body. This leads to wasting of the bone marrow and this results in pancytopaenia a breakdown in the bloods make up which leads to your ferret becoming run down and in all cases if not diagnosed early enough fatal. Anorexia, alopecia, difficulty breathing and in the more progressed stages internal bleeding are all signs of this! The ferret will also be more susceptible to secondary ailments because the immune system will be not be strong enough to fight. Now not every ferret will suffer from this but it does increase the risk to beyond an exceptable one so the bottom line is a jill requires bringing out of season one way or another!! To be totally honest here if you cannot afford to look after an animal be it financially, nutritionally or any other way that could result in its quality of life not being first class then you should not even consider having a ferret or any other animal for that matter!! ellir0305 you stated a few weeks ago that you didnt know if you had the time or the financial state to look after ferrets properly has this now changed or are keeping ferrets just a fad because you have been out with someone ferreting??? Quote Link to post
ellir0305 9 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well i sugest if everyones full of shite do the looking for yourself , aplastic anemia exists & can cause problems if there left in prolonged season, fact, you asked the questions , you were given opinions And for the record i didnt sugest they had to be breed, they need bringing out of season because there induced ovulators & that means the hormone levels are higher & thats is what causes the red blood cell problems hence the anemia To be honest your looking for the cheapo option, you want ferrets but you dont want to have to do anything other than feed them cost wise , well dont we all in an ideal world sorry to cause offence and i didnt say you were full of shite, as far as i understand anemia is an iron deficiancy, yes? so why not just increase the iron in the diet? Quote Link to post
doddsy1970 9 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well i sugest if everyones full of shite do the looking for yourself , aplastic anemia exists & can cause problems if there left in prolonged season, fact, you asked the questions , you were given opinions And for the record i didnt sugest they had to be breed, they need bringing out of season because there induced ovulators & that means the hormone levels are higher & thats is what causes the red blood cell problems hence the anemia To be honest your looking for the cheapo option, you want ferrets but you dont want to have to do anything other than feed them cost wise , well dont we all in an ideal world sorry to cause offence and i didnt say you were full of shite, as far as i understand anemia is an iron deficiancy, yes? so why not just increase the iron in the diet? It is a wasting of the bone marrow that causes the anemia Quote Link to post
Kay 3,709 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well i sugest if everyones full of shite do the looking for yourself , aplastic anemia exists & can cause problems if there left in prolonged season, fact, you asked the questions , you were given opinions And for the record i didnt sugest they had to be breed, they need bringing out of season because there induced ovulators & that means the hormone levels are higher & thats is what causes the red blood cell problems hence the anemia To be honest your looking for the cheapo option, you want ferrets but you dont want to have to do anything other than feed them cost wise , well dont we all in an ideal world sorry to cause offence and i didnt say you were full of shite, as far as i understand anemia is an iron deficiancy, yes? so why not just increase the iron in the diet? Another condition altogether , ferrets need inducing to ovulate & if there not then the estogen levels are sky high, thats what kills off the red blood cells & is basically the cause of that sort of anemia, its not a myth its a fact You know the methods to use to bring any entire jills out of season thus reducing the estrogen hormone levels. Quote Link to post
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