Stopped by the police

[Grim Reaper 1]

Well in my experience of this place you've come to the right forum to get a personal attack too many people like to get on their soap boxes here. I think they read too much air gun world magazines etc

 

 

Nah mate, I've given that up as a bad job - too much inaccurate information has been going into them these last couple of years for my liking - they were much better in the old days, i reckon.

 

 

All the best,

Grim.

[whippeter69 88]

Everyone makes mistakes, not been stopped yet whilst out lamping with my mate, but when i take the airgun i ALWAYS put it in a case/slip or what ever you want to call it.

 

Lets just calls this a one off, im sure a few people have had a few guns out of the slip whilst in travel.

[samwhittam1 0]

The copper probly cudnt be arsed with all the paperwork

[labsnlurchers 39]

Just found this on BASC and now im confused lol! Exactly what is the law? does any body know? Because it says its PREFERABLE it doesnt say it is LAW???

 

When travelling in a vehicle, keep your guns and ammunition out of sight, preferably in the locked luggage

compartment. It is preferable to keep the guns in their slips or cases. If you have to park your vehicle for any reason, park it where you can see it – if at all possible. The vehicle must be locked and any anti-theft devices set. It is a good idea to park in a manner that prevents easy access to the part of the vehicle containing your guns, such as backing the car very close to a wall to make it difficult for a thief to get at the boot.

[cyclonebri1 8]

This was the point that me and Deker, I think, were trying to make recomendations are one thing, the law is an other.

 

Heres an example as it happened to me. I'd gone out shooting one winter afternoon. Parked the car in a layby of the farm track, about 30yds from the main road. I did what I always used to do when out and left the empty gun slip on the rear seat of the car in plain view. I thought this would encourage anyone who passed by to keep to the footpaths if they knew someone was out with a gun.

Anyway got back to the car about 3 hrs later absolutely soaked through. Didn't want to put the gun back in it's dry slip, so simply broke the shotgun down to it's 3 parts and left it laid on the back seat.

What I didn't know was that some **** of a copper had been and checked my car over, seen the gunslip, and sat waiting just down the road for god knows how long. Anyway as soon as I pulled out he was behind me, followed me 4 miles home and pulled into the drive behind me. The bugger seemed determined to get me for "something". I will say that I wasn't 100% sure of the situation of having the broken down gun on the back seat. He checked my licences, checked the gun serial No, checked my cabinet etc etc, he even then went back to the farm and checked that I actually had permission to be on there. This was the one that really got me as farmers in general do not like that sort of attention.

He came back about 2 hours later and told me that he been back to the FEO to check the regs on the carrying of arms in a vehicle and reluctantly told me that I had not broken any laws, but suggested that I kept it covered in future. That seemed to be his justification for his actions. This plonker had just spent at least 4 hrs pursuing a perfectly legal shooter going about his lawfull business after seeing an empty gunslip.

 

I don't do that anymore, just not worth the hassle, they are out to get us

[jamiethehunter 0]

I think there has been some confusion between carrying a gun in a public place and carrying the gun in a vehicle. The basc airgun code of conduct is just a guide. Here is a link to the specific airguns laws

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio...pdf?view=Binary

 

As well as the above there is also the vcr act which is law anything else is is a recomendation. I would suggest anybody that has insurance checks there documents though as i had an insurance a few years back i can't remember which one it was now but it required me to keep the gun in a slip at all times between home and the land on which i had permission to shoot.

[ghillies 209]

DEFRA 'advise.... BASC recomend.... i've asked both direct questions but it seems the actual law quotes are ony privy to the select few..

i've rang the local fire arms and spoke with 'de manager' he basicaly didnt know but.. yes but... you'd probably have a case in a court of law.. hmmm might do, could be..perhaps... maybe..if? wtf?

[ghillies 209]

I think there has been some confusion between carrying a gun in a public place and carrying the gun in a vehicle. The basc airgun code of conduct is just a guide. Here is a link to the specific airguns laws

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio...pdf?view=Binary

 

As well as the above there is also the vcr act which is law anything else is is a recomendation. I would suggest anybody that has insurance checks there documents though as i had an insurance a few years back i can't remember which one it was now but it required me to keep the gun in a slip at all times between home and the land on which i had permission to shoot.

 

 

it's a good 'general' guide.. is there a sticky for law? may be worth popping one up, because thats not all of them, and i thought the age was now 18 with the last lot of changes?

even the met office dont post a full and concise list... just a thought.. theres many a person searching for the info.(even more with bogus idia's....).

 

airgun mags with even just one pellet in, even if its in the glove box and the guns locked in the boot is classed as a loaded wepon.. etc.(people have and are being prosicuted for that one.)

and the traveling bit, theres hidden extra's like i dont think your sposed to call in a shop or garage buut havent sen proper proof on it..(and summut about routes haveing to be direct or summut...).

[jamiethehunter 0]

I think there has been some confusion between carrying a gun in a public place and carrying the gun in a vehicle. The basc airgun code of conduct is just a guide. Here is a link to the specific airguns laws

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio...pdf?view=Binary

 

As well as the above there is also the vcr act which is law anything else is is a recomendation. I would suggest anybody that has insurance checks there documents though as i had an insurance a few years back i can't remember which one it was now but it required me to keep the gun in a slip at all times between home and the land on which i had permission to shoot.

 

 

it's a good 'general' guide.. is there a sticky for law? may be worth popping one up, because thats not all of them, and i thought the age was now 18 with the last lot of changes?

even the met office dont post a full and concise list... just a thought.. theres many a person searching for the info.(even more with bogus idia's....).

 

airgun mags with even just one pellet in, even if its in the glove box and the guns locked in the boot is classed as a loaded wepon.. etc.(people have and are being prosicuted for that one.)

and the traveling bit, theres hidden extra's like i dont think your sposed to call in a shop or garage buut havent sen proper proof on it..(and summut about routes haveing to be direct or summut...).

The laws mentioned in the link are just additional airgun specific laws the rest are covered in the firearms act it. I've been doing some checking and there isn't any published document online that contains all of the laws together in one place there are just lots of smaller documents containing bits and pieces. You would think if the goverment and police are so concerned with gun crime they would publish a clear document containing all the laws and all the ammendments of the past 25 years.

[ghillies 209]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeee-up... but then yu would know.

 

i'm thinking they keep it vague to give the average bobby a free scope on what to do etc, that and if your not influential your f**ked....

 

after thought..... stopps anti's lobbying their way behind peoples backs too... lets face it laws are needed.. but well.. gets silly at times.

Edited January 22, 2009 by ghillies

[jamiethehunter 0]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeee-up... but then yu would know.

 

i'm thinking they keep it vague to give the average bobby a free scope on what to do etc, that and if your not influential your f**ked....

 

after thought..... stopps anti's lobbying their way behind peoples backs too... lets face it laws are needed.. but well.. gets silly at times.

I think your right it would be nice if one of the shooting organisations would put it all together in one place i would be happy to pay for a small booklet that i could carry with me when out shooting. That way if anybody questions me i could refer to the book and check the law and my rights. I know stuff has been published before but i would like a concise uo to date guide to all the firearms laws and any relating laws like knife laws etc that i can refer too when needed.

Edited January 22, 2009 by jamiethehunter