Snared foxes

[Foxy09 3]

A roe has a lot more weight to it than a fox,hence the breakaway would breakaway,but if your worried about catching roe in your fox snares, i cant see how you can be worried about it to be honest there is no way a roe deer would be caught in a fox snare,even a badly set one

 

thats a pretty bold statement, i dont think there is a snare man alive that hasnt caught a non target species at one point. And if there is no way a roe deer could get caught in even a badly set fox snare why bother using break-aways in the first place?

 

Foxy

[donk 12]

Mebbes thats why the man came up with breakaways then

 

I have never ever caught nothing but foxes in a snare ive set for fox.

 

Whats your motive here?

 

If you are worried about catching deer in a properly set fox snare i suggest you stop snaring. Because you are not competent enough to be using snares.

[Foxy09 3]

It is possible that a deer may be leg caught accidentally, that is why the breakaway fox snare comes with a deer stop on it. When a certain gentleman invented this type of breakaway device he didn't go at it half arsed and he thought it through completely. A deer would not only break free, but the deer stop on these snares frevent the noose from closing all the way, so a deers leg can either step through or pull free.

 

As for cats, if you set your snares low enough to catch cats you deserve everything you get, if you set them where you know there are going to be dogs then the same thing applies, if you don't know how to use them, don't set them.

 

H

 

Ive been using conventional fox snares with deer stops for over ten years so im aware of how they free a deer if caught by the leg, but having caught many big strong dog foxes over the years and seen the struggle they can put up in a snare im just not totally convinced how these eyelets would hold for a fox and not a deer...a Muntjac for instance? Obviously its the snaremans responsability to do his homework before setting so hes not setting where non target species are present, but if this was the case all of the time there would be no need for break-away fox snares because no snares would be geting set in the first place. dont want people to think in knocking the design or idea or breakaways, im definitely not, im looking forward to trying them out for myself.

 

Foxy

[Foxy09 3]

Mebbes thats why the man came up with breakaways then

 

I have never ever caught nothing but foxes in a snare ive set for fox.

 

Whats your motive here?

 

If you are worried about catching deer in a properly set fox snare i suggest you stop snaring. Because you are not competent enough to be using snares.

 

i don't have a motive as you call it mate, im just giving my views on a subject which interests me, which i think this forum is for? and lets not get personal about it either, im talking about this subject in general not about my own snaring methods, as ive been doing it quite succesfully for over ten years.

[donk 12]

Im not getting personal mate,fact is the breakaways work,ive used them,and i have never had non target species caught in them.

If were now talking about muntjac then i can see where your coming from,sort of,im not in a position to comment on muntjac as we dont have any round these parts. Personally i dont have much of a problem with any non target species because of the land i snare and my knowledge of that land.

 

If you apply your knowledge of your land when you are setting the breakaways im sure you will minimise even further the risk of catching non target species.

Good luck with it

[Holdaway 2]

It is possible that a deer may be leg caught accidentally, that is why the breakaway fox snare comes with a deer stop on it. When a certain gentleman invented this type of breakaway device he didn't go at it half arsed and he thought it through completely. A deer would not only break free, but the deer stop on these snares prevent the noose from closing all the way, so a deers leg can either step through or pull free.

 

As for cats, if you set your snares low enough to catch cats you deserve everything you get, if you set them where you know there are going to be dogs then the same thing applies, if you don't know how to use them, don't set them.

 

H

 

Ive been using conventional fox snares with deer stops for over ten years so I'm aware of how they free a deer if caught by the leg, but having caught many big strong dog foxes over the years and seen the struggle they can put up in a snare I'm just not totally convinced how these eyelets would hold for a fox and not a deer...a Muntjac for instance? Obviously its the snaremans responsibility to do his homework before setting so hes not setting where non target species are present, but if this was the case all of the time there would be no need for break-away fox snares because no snares would be getting set in the first place. don't want people to think in knocking the design or idea or breakaways, I'm definitely not, I'm looking forward to trying them out for myself.

 

Foxy

 

I agree about the muntjac, little buggers have even been known to try and get into cage traps set for much smaller animals. There are two versions to snaremans design though, one is a breakaway and one is non-breakaway, however, both incorporate the deer stop, it's this little gizmo that makes all the difference really. ANY animal caught in a snare whether set for rabbits or foxes, if they have the deer stop, will be alive. This gives the opportunity to release anything not targeted.

 

I myself have caught cats in snares, in traps I have also had unwanted species but if we all do everything we can to minimize trauma and unwanted catches then there is little else we can do. Simple rules such as don't snare along paths, where people walk dogs, where other domestic or farm animals may come into contact with them.

 

Setting fox snares and catching only foxes is a sign of good fieldcraft.

 

H

 

PS. I wasn't having a go earlier when I said if you don't know how to snare then don't, it's just sense.

 

Edited to say we have highjacked a thread that wasn't ours, sorry RedDog

[Foxy09 3]

Hopefully they will be here the start of next week, the idea behind them is great i think, looking forward to geting them down.

 

Foxy

[snareman 3]

Hopefully they will be here the start of next week, the idea behind them is great i think, looking forward to geting them down.

 

Foxy

i,m the guy that designed the all in one unit breakaway fox snare eye, and the breakaway rabbit snare, i also have 42 years fox snaring experience , and 55 years at the rabbit snaring, snares are always being classed as indiscriminate , by the antis, and most of the public who really know nothing about them , thats why i decided to devise breakaway snares, i had been experimenting with them for 12 years , there was a great deal of thought went into these snares , all fox snares should be set with a permanent fixed stop, i used a small 6/ba ,nut as it has very low visibility , also it has threads inside it, when compressed onto the snare cable it sets permantly. unlike the wire turns on commercial snares , which slide along the cable when under pressure , the stop prevents full closure of the loop and is set 9 inches along from the eye, therefore no smaller woodland deer will ever be caught by the leg . also no matter how experienced a trapper maybe accidents do occur from time to time , woodland deer have a habit when browsing , of holding their head lower to the ground , therefore on occasions they become accidently neck snared ,this is when the b. a.d. or breakaway device , comes into action, as it is the weakest link in the snare system, there fore deer which are heavier than a fox , usually pull the b.a.d.open and escape, as i have had many pm,s and phone calls to say that the snares had released deer , and badgers . that were accidently caught , another crucial point that i have put forward is not to use shock or retension springs on snares as they defeat the purpose of the b.a.d.and have a non target species pulling to the point of exhaustion trying to escape , so don,t use them, nothing in life is totally 100 percent effective , therefore i am doing the best that i can , as no other fieldsports organisation has come up with anything so simple and effective, at the cost of one penny to make, and non rusting as i have, also these new best practises thats been put forward lately. are only going to cause many more problems , drafted by inexperienced experts as usual that totaly lack many years of practical experience out in all kinds of weather . another simple device i have been working on that stops deer puting their head into the loop. there are many factors not mentioned here about b.a.d.,s as it would take far to long to explain . i have also made the most up todate humane breakaway fox snares in u.k. with added aditions today, which i have not shown, and are now in government hands.

[moley 115]

just to add to the debate, in the USA breakaways have bin in use for many years and the american snarers want to be able to hold a big coyote yet release a small deer ,which means the breakaways have to be very accurate as to how much tension they can hold or give at

[snareman 3]

just to add to the debate, in the USA breakaways have bin in use for many years and the american snarers want to be able to hold a big coyote yet release a small deer ,which means the breakaways have to be very accurate as to how much tension they can hold or give at

yep lad there are many variables to be considered and tried , also loop and different securing systems are all extra factors to be taken into consideration, along with cable length, and b.a.d. poundage,

[Holdaway 2]

Well snareman we know from experience that the breakaways work both for foxes and rabbits, I truly wish I had been using them a few years ago.

 

Adam1 posted elsewhere that he had an empty snare yesterday with no markings in the grass, proably a deer had stepped into the rabbit snare and easliy pulled free, one less deer with necrosis and non the worse for its ordeal in don't doubt.

 

 

H

[pegandgun 52]

Some very good points there snareman.The trouble this country has is the so called experts who are supposedly leading the way as far as fox snaring goes actually know very little when it comes to trapping out in the field in all weather conditions and various different ground.The people in this country want to think themselfs very lucky they have the likes of old Glenn Waters keeping the snare as legal means of fox control.To be honest i dont know how i would manage without the fox snare.........P&G

[Holdaway 2]

The idea with the deer stop is that with stop set at nine inches, the noose never closes fully so a deer can step out of a snare. The breakaways will not breakaway when a fox is in it, they were invented by a guy who has snared coyotes, bobcat, beaver and just about anything else on four legs so he knows the breaking strain need to open one of the eyes. As he openly admits, this is not 100% foolproof, but who else is doing anything to keep snaring legal and human? With the deer stop in place whatever you catch has a better chance of being alive that it would with the old type of locking fox snare, so even if a badger is caught, it can be released unharmed.

 

H

[snareman 3]

The idea with the deer stop is that with stop set at nine inches, the noose never closes fully so a deer can step out of a snare. The breakaways will not breakaway when a fox is in it, they were invented by a guy who has snared coyotes, bobcat, beaver and just about anything else on four legs so he knows the breaking strain need to open one of the eyes. As he openly admits, this is not 100% foolproof, but who else is doing anything to keep snaring legal and human? With the deer stop in place whatever you catch has a better chance of being alive that it would with the old type of locking fox snare, so even if a badger is caught, it can be released unharmed.

 

H

the largest fox held in one of my breakaway snares that i have been told of , was 26 lbs, by a gamekeeper who was using them, i don,t know if the b.a.d. was partly opened , or remained fully closed, i forgot to ask, but its a simple task to add extra strength to the b.a.d. loop, two simple moves can do this . as the g.s. w. breakaway snare is free running , and as i have said before, many non target species have freed themselves from these snares due to the numerous reports i have received , roe deer and badgers have all pulled them open,as they are heavier and more powerfull than a fox , as i have stated previously, all snares fitted with a permanent stop between 9 and 10 inches along from the end of the snare cable, eliminates leg catches on woodland deer , the breakaway rabbit snare, also totally eliminates . woodland deer being foot snared now, and losing a foot to necrosis, it also retains large rabbits , and allows from cats upwards to escape , you have to balance a fine line between being to weak or to strong , and still retain the foxes , and to allow nontarget species to escape, a lot of thought has been put into these b.a.d s. as i have said nothing is a hundred percent effective , and it is easy to critisise , but nobody else seems to have really given it any consideration , and i have done it and had them tested , long before even the government have got of their backside , the beauty of them is that the bads, and non bads, can be made for i penny each, so they are within everyones budget if they wish to use them, they are not manditory at the moment , but they will probably have to be used by law sometime in the near future.

[red dog 3]

the main reason i put the pic,s up was to show the breakaway eyelets work well, and so do the stops, i've had 3 foxes at the location of the first picture 2 dogs & 1 vixen and 2 foxes at the other location 1 dog & 1 vixen, all alive. I have to thank snareman for a lot of advice and a good product also thanks to p & g, wodga, moley for there help in the past, it is people like this that make are job easyer and more professional.