Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 looks like i just did ,with your reply ,and you must be one of the irregular shooters i was on about .no wonder you are in a protective mode. I knew that was going to be the reply, I didn't expect a case to be backed up by any sort of proof. Such is the internet. I know my capabilities, I know my rifles, I know the limits to which I conduct my pest control as a Gamekeeper. SS how many lots of land do you shoot on . Acres or Farms? individual places Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WILF Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 It all has its place.........I have beat enough days to see the real killers and the blokes that cant hit shite(beaters allways want a team of killers ).........I have seen and owned dogs that would just educate game,bit of a tussel and the game runs free, I have taken shots and wounded quarry.........it happens. Not all shooters are good shots, not all dogs are any good, a wire will ocasionally be set incorrectly........so what. It all has its place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Bit of a contradiction there fellah really when you get down to it the only animal that kills just for the hell of it is MAN.....drive along any road next to a shoot and you'll see more carnage caused by cars than by foxes Are you really trying to tell us that foxes only kill for food?! That is possably the most naive suggestion I have heard in a long time if you are. Nope never said that did I? engage brain before fingers mate. I'm not trying to tell you anything just stating a fact....the only animal that kills for pleasure is man. But your words say that the only animal to kill for the hell of it (ie not just for food) is man. You said that, above. That implies, in fact it is a statement to the efect that foxes thus only kill for food; because they are not man, and only man kills for fun. i.e indescriminatly, not just for food. Foxes do kill just for the hell of it, its a proven historcal fact; therfore man is not the only animal that does it. On one hand you are saying "nope never said that", on the other you say you are just "stating fact". Fact as anyone who keeps poultry, game birds or stock sheep know is that foxes do kill indescriminently, just for the hell of it, as well as for food. Thus they are pests and need controling in the most efective, clean and safe method for the given area and pest problem, which I believe is the topic of the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 individual places Seven farms, four of which make up the shoot, the rest have asked me to shoot here. I have shot a few other pieces in he past, for example, one year I covered a Sheep farm for a mate who had broken his leg just in time for Lambing. In acres, the shoot is roughly 2400. The rest take it to 3200 roughly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 It all has its place.........I have beat enough days to see the real killers and the blokes that cant hit shite(beaters allways want a team of killers ).........I have seen and owned dogs that would just educate game,bit of a tussel and the game runs free, I have taken shots and wounded quarry.........it happens. Not all shooters are good shots, not all dogs are any good, a wire will ocasionally be set incorrectly........so what. It all has its place. wilf im just pointing out that there is to many guns given to people that dont know how to use them ,and it looks like it will continue to be the case in the future because since they band most hunting with dogs they are geting more request for a licence to own a gun ,and they keep giving them out willy nilly as long as you come up to a certain standard ,and being able to shoot one is not on the list of standards [fact ],ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 individual places Seven farms, four of which make up the shoot, the rest have asked me to shoot here. I have shot a few other pieces in he past, for example, one year I covered a Sheep farm for a mate who had broken his leg just in time for Lambing. In acres, the shoot is roughly 2400. The rest take it to 3200 roughly. and how many other people who dont shoot on a regular basis shoot on the same ground. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Fact as anyone who keeps poultry, game birds or stock sheep know is that foxes do kill indescriminently, just for the hell of it, as well as for food. They don't kill just for the hell of it, they kill it all so that they can come back & get it when they need more. As far as that fox is concerned, next time it comes back, that flock of birds might not be there, so it kills them all to make sure they don't bugger off. If the dead carcases were left there and the fox allowed to come back, it would eat them all. The fox needs to be controlled as it's clearly not acceptable to have stock lost in such a way & it doesn't matter which way you choose to do it, it needs doing. So what's the fecking point in this thread? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 and how many other people who dont shoot on a regular basis shoot on the same ground. The three which are apart from the shoot, I am the only one that shoots there. The shoot ground is covered by three keepers who own Rifles, myself being one of them. One of them doesn't own a centrefire anymore, only his .22 LR which he uses for vermin, such as Crows, Maggies etc, he's retired and is about the place a fair bit. The other has a centrefire like me, who lamps with me when he can, other than that, like me, he lamps on his own. He's just had a Heart attack, so hasn't been anywhere near his guns for a month. Thats for Fox and Vermin control. For game shooting, we shoot almost every Saturday in season, some are better than others at hitting birds, some clean miss, we all prick the odd one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Fact as anyone who keeps poultry, game birds or stock sheep know is that foxes do kill indescriminently, just for the hell of it, as well as for food. They don't kill just for the hell of it, they kill it all so that they can come back & get it when they need more. As far as that fox is concerned, next time it comes back, that flock of birds might not be there, so it kills them all to make sure they don't bugger off. If the dead carcases were left there and the fox allowed to come back, it would eat them all. The fox needs to be controlled as it's clearly not acceptable to have stock lost in such a way & it doesn't matter which way you choose to do it, it needs doing. So what's the fecking point in this thread? i must be on the wrong thread ,it started of about your opinions on shooting ,not just about fox controle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewismac1 1 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG Well My honest opinion is the complete opposite to your's. I think shooting is more humain than slipping a pair of dog's on it. Thats just my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) and how many other people who dont shoot on a regular basis shoot on the same ground. The three which are apart from the shoot, I am the only one that shoots there. The shoot ground is covered by three keepers who own Rifles, myself being one of them. One of them doesn't own a centrefire anymore, only his .22 LR which he uses for vermin, such as Crows, Maggies etc, he's retired and is about the place a fair bit. The other has a centrefire like me, who lamps with me when he can, other than that, like me, he lamps on his own. He's just had a Heart attack, so hasn't been anywhere near his guns for a month. Thats for Fox and Vermin control. For game shooting, we shoot almost every Saturday in season, some are better than others at hitting birds, some clean miss, we all prick the odd one. in that case you will have to take my word for it ,because it seems you only see a selected number of people using guns ,and they are geting the practis on a regular basis to make them mutch better shots than the many thousands of shooters that dont get the same opertunity . i would just like to say ,get out and mingle with the novices and you might just get to see what i am on about.: Edited January 9, 2009 by MY LAW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Fact as anyone who keeps poultry, game birds or stock sheep know is that foxes do kill indescriminently, just for the hell of it, as well as for food. They don't kill just for the hell of it, they kill it all so that they can come back & get it when they need more. As far as that fox is concerned, next time it comes back, that flock of birds might not be there, so it kills them all to make sure they don't bugger off. If the dead carcases were left there and the fox allowed to come back, it would eat them all. The fox needs to be controlled as it's clearly not acceptable to have stock lost in such a way & it doesn't matter which way you choose to do it, it needs doing. So what's the fecking point in this thread? i must be on the wrong thread ,it started of about your opinions on shooting ,not just about fox controle. Well unlike you [Dog on], I read through the whole post instead of just jumping in when I felt like having an argument, and the original poster mentioned the different forms of pest control. Now seeing as controlling foxes is a form of pest control, why shouldn't it be talked about? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rod&dog Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 What i dont like is a certain aspect of shooting people tend to look down on people who work lurchers and think there on the higher horse,,I had to put up with a few lads at college like that,,Saying how much lurchers where cackers dogs and how there labs can kill foxes in seconds and how game there border terriers are when they get a fox cub in a cage withit. What really annoys me around here,,Is that farmers and gamekeepers let beagles and foxhounds go on there land,,But get all hiped up when they see you running a few hares with a lurcher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claybusers al 9 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 dangergirl i see your reading this see what you have started Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Fact as anyone who keeps poultry, game birds or stock sheep know is that foxes do kill indescriminently, just for the hell of it, as well as for food. They don't kill just for the hell of it, they kill it all so that they can come back & get it when they need more. As far as that fox is concerned, next time it comes back, that flock of birds might not be there, so it kills them all to make sure they don't bugger off. If the dead carcases were left there and the fox allowed to come back, it would eat them all. The fox needs to be controlled as it's clearly not acceptable to have stock lost in such a way & it doesn't matter which way you choose to do it, it needs doing. So what's the fecking point in this thread? i must be on the wrong thread ,it started of about your opinions on shooting ,not just about fox controle. Well unlike you [Dog on], I read through the whole post instead of just jumping in when I felt like having an argument, and the original poster mentioned the different forms of pest control. Now seeing as controlling foxes is a form of pest control, why shouldn't it be talked about? mal you know what you are ,besides a grassing c**t and im not arguing im just posting my views ,and trying to prove them unlike you just on here to argue and be a know all and stir shit.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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