dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) People who do the fox hunts said that only the weak ones get caught, leaving the stronger ones to produce offspring talk about natural selection . The world runs on money, if a farmer wanted to choose methods of the two he will probably go for the Shooting method. You dont get a pack of hounds and horses on your land possably causing damage and alot of time and money goes into the hounds and horses. Shooting it could just be you and your gun and control foxes more effectively. Just my opinion Not against shooting or hunting. Df We have a very large dairy farm and have hounds on the land(draging) whenever they want too. The farmer wants to see the preservation of the hunt as a way of fox/vermin control. But if a farmer had a problem with hens being taken every night, and had no access to dogs before the ban then it would of course be more efficient and less time consuming to use the gun. Edited January 9, 2009 by dangergirl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. Humans kill for the fun of it all the time....... is that why we have no respect for each other. There should be limitations to everything. DG You could be right there, who knows? Dont get me wrong i dont want to exterminate everthing that breathes but foxes are different. It seems to me that some people on here think that the fox is a cuddly wee thing that steals a few chickens at night from the local farm when realisticly he is a cold blooded killer that would hunt a pen of birds till the last 1 is killed. So anybody on here that takes a few out by any method....i salute you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rod&dog Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. Then sorry in my eyes your not a true blue feildsportman,,, Thats just an arrogant excuse for killing foxes me thinks ,,Ive been there and done all the picking up of dead poults from fox damage ,Still would respect my qaurry,,But if you dont respect it what are you doing puresuing it!!!? Im sure you would like to see foxes about in the countryside in 50 years from now,,Beacause i would. Edited January 9, 2009 by Rod&dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 , you talk sense Rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevegg 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I shoot (rabbits, woodpigeons,pheasants,rats, corvids, with shotgun, .22rf and air rifle). I also ferret and use a lurcher (well hopefully i will again soon, the last one died, the new one isn't 5 months old yet). I loved nothing more than seeing my old lurchers and whippets working, not just chase and catch but having to use their noses or work things out and if a rabbit or hare was brought back at the end all the better, if not it didn't matter. To get a dog to a standard of obedience where it will not look at a ferret that comes out of a hole and will not disturb nets or that you can call off quarry is a very good feeling. When I'm shooting pigeons it's very satisfying to outwit them using your fieldcraft to put your hide in the right place and decoys out in a suitable pattern. Both dogs and guns have their place. I lost 12 chickens to the fox before Christmas and have spent several (often bloody cold) hours sat waiting to shoot it. I haven't seen it at all, though my wife has seen it several times. It isn't practical for me to sit out and wait for it to eventually show it's face, and shooting with a high powered rifle isn't possible where I live. I know my old Bedlington/Greyhound would have solved the problem straight away if she'd still been with us and had been with my wife when she'd seen it. I've had permission at a riding centre where the use of guns was absolutely forbidden and also permission on farms where to even mention a lurcher was unthinkable. So each method has its place and it would be nice to think we could all be united and support each other in our love of field sports whatever each of us chooses. But maybe that's just wishfull thinking. Kev. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG My opiniun you are stiring it for the sake of it we must have a united membership some times it wiser to say nowt in mixed company. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG My opiniun you are stiring it for the sake of it we must have a united membership some times it wiser to say nowt in mixed company. now you are stirring by asking that question? It was a simple question i asked... i wanted no arguements and no piss taking. Its small minded people like you that cause the arguements. Im interested in people thoughts on this subject and we should all be able to speak our mind without arguing. If you cant contribute to the debate in a positve way dont contribute at all. Edited January 9, 2009 by dangergirl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Yet another thread on the subject. These are my views on it. I put a similar response to a thread a few days ago. If you are purely wanting some sport, which is what I see in most Lurcher folk, then you are killing a few foxes, when you have the opportunity, when the dogs are on good form, and when the ground allows. I think thats a pretty fair assumption. If you are conducting pest control, then you are shooting as many as you are able to seek, for the solution of a problem. I think that is the difference here. Control or Sport. I put the argument in another thread, that a Healthy fox, makes him a more efficient killer. In the same vain, a slightly less healthy fox, isn't exempt from being a killer. Which is why with shooting, you can control a situation, e.g. land where Poultry or Sheep are kept, and with Lurchers, you can indulge in your sport when you can and when the dogs are able. Not just foxes, Rabbits too. You have the pleasure of seeing your Dogs catching as many Rabbits as it can in a session. But then if you need seriously high volumes removing, the gun will up the average. There is skill in shooting, the same as there is in Dog work. I can't see where all the controversy comes from, perhaps one bad experience with a shooter, tars people's views on them. I think respect whatever you are shooting is important. I'd not pull the trigger on an Animal unless the gun was zeroed (Rifle that is). Just my views. SS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. Bit of a contradiction there fellah really when you get down to it the only animal that kills just for the hell of it is MAN.....drive along any road next to a shoot and you'll see more carnage caused by cars than by foxes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG My opiniun you are stiring it for the sake of it we must have a united membership some times it wiser to say nowt in mixed company. now you are stirring by asking that question? It was a simple question i asked... i wanted no arguements and no piss taking. Its small minded people like you that cause the arguements. Im interested in people thoughts on this subject and we should all be able to speak our mind without arguing. If you cant contribute to the debate in a positve way dont contribute at all. Sorry but you did ask for opiniuns and that was mine please accept it as an opiniun you know that this topic would throw up more arguements than debate as for small and narrow mindednes check out your original qoute . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) No narrow mindedness bud, i accept other peoples opinions and veiws fully. If we all had the same veiws it would be a dull world, i enjoy reading about what other people think and feel regarding a chosen subject, thats no narrow mindedness by any means!! Edited January 9, 2009 by dangergirl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chimp 299 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 if you do any form of field sports why the f**k would you put another form of hunting down ? ok you dont shoot but some people with guns dont own dogs but still need to pest control / have sport. i will put this thread along side . can i feed fox to my dogs / lab x / i think my ferret is a veggie ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MY LAW Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. [i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it ]then you must include man in that fraise Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 This thread should be pulled. There's plenty of other threads on this particular subject, and at what point does shite this become internet flaming? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. Bit of a contradiction there fellah really when you get down to it the only animal that kills just for the hell of it is MAN.....drive along any road next to a shoot and you'll see more carnage caused by cars than by foxes Thats just pure nonsense you are talking there for a start. Sure there are some people that kill just for the sake of it but most is either to do a job or put food on the table. When did you you last see someone go out and say shoot a pigeon then shot another 50 and left them lying just for the fun off it? And if you think that there are more birds killed each year on the roads than by the foxes you are sadly mistaken. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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