dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tallyho 181 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 i would say dogs any day but its not always possible , the local farmer wanted a fox gone and wanted it gone straight away, it was too hard to run the dogs so my partner had to go and shoot the fox, which he did and it was killed out right. again the dogs would have been better but somtimes it has to be done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yokel Matt 918 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I agree that each to their own. There has been a lot of UNHEALTHY debate on this issue recently where people don't seem to be able to appreciate another mans sport and the threads decend into slagging and chaos. As always it comes down to how people view fox / deer / hare control from SPORT and CONTROL viewpoints. Hopefully this thread will be debated with a bit of maturity for a change I totally understand your reasons for using dogs and i sympathise that this method has been affected by a stupid, towney law. I'm a shooting man first and foremost but recognise that dogs have the edge in certain terrains and situations. However, it needs to be understood that shooting requires a fair degree of individual skill and fieldcraft from the stalking, positioning and execution of a safe and deadly shot. The fact that the animal doesn't know you are there is probably one of the most satisfying feelings and testament to the hunters fieldcraft at being able to get into that position in the first place, let alone put a bullet where it counts. Personally i don NOT approve on taking deer with dogs but thats JMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I agree that each to their own. There has been a lot of UNHEALTHY debate on this issue recently where people don't seem to be able to appreciate another mans sport and the threads decend into slagging and chaos. As always it comes down to how people view fox / deer / hare control from SPORT and CONTROL viewpoints. Hopefully this thread will be debated with a bit of maturity for a change I totally understand your reasons for using dogs and i sympathise that this method has been affected by a stupid, towney law. I'm a shooting man first and foremost but recognise that dogs have the edge in certain terrains and situations. However, it needs to be understood that shooting requires a fair degree of individual skill and fieldcraft from the stalking, positioning and execution of a safe and deadly shot. The fact that the animal doesn't know you are there is probably one of the most satisfying feelings and testament to the hunters fieldcraft at being able to get into that position in the first place, let alone put a bullet where it counts. Personally i don NOT approve on taking deer with dogs but thats JMHO. I see your point of veiw local, a well put answer. A clean shot and an instant kill is a plus side to shooting. DG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rod&dog Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Well im sporting so would put in the old days choose dog over gun anyday or the week,,Anytime of day,,Would rather watch a fox get away from a lurcher free from harm than running away with shot in in from a gun,, But each to there own,,When i was a keeper foxes where not wanted so if you had a gun on you it was shot and if you got the rare chance to run it you would run it. Each to your own sport ,, We are all in it together remember!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
provarmint 25 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG Each to their chosen method, I love to see dogs working, but I also shoot. There's skill involved in both, to drop a fox at 400+ yrds takes some doing, to work dogs correctly is also an art. I personally wouldn't knock anybodys preferred method Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I was not knocking the method, just saying its not for me, shooting does have its plus sides, i conceed to that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droid 11 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Surely it depends whether the landowner wants the fox definitely eradicated, or given a chance? If the former, then it's a gun, if the latter a dog? I suppose this is dependent on whether you're doing a professional job, or indulging in 'sport'. If I had a fox (or a rabbit ot rat) problem I wouldn't want them 'given a chance' I'd want the buggers gone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steviebhoy 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Now i have to say im not one of the bullet brigade , each to their own, but i feel strongly about this. Now ´Pre Ban`, and having the option, i would much rather see a dog take a fox, deer, or hare; animals using wit against wit, testing each others speed and stamina to the max. I cant see any sport in lining a fox up in your sights from 1/4 mile away and dropping it where it stood. The poor blighter probably never even knew you were there, that in my opinion is trash. Im fully aware that some people consider the coursing of fox ect as bad sport, but at least the animals gat a chance to survive. The fit and witty get away and the ill and old get caught, this is also a better way of natural selection, ensuring only the healthiest of each breed survive. Your opinions please. DG And who do you think wants foxes to get fitter and wittier? Not me thats for sure. Trap them, snare them, shoot them, dig them out or catch them with dogs as long as we get rid of the vermin thats all tht counts. If the fox gets away its already fir and has wit doesn´t it? Im not up for wiping out a breed bud, a bit of respect doesnt harm anyone. Sorry but i cant respect the fox, i cant respect anything that kills just for the hell of it. Maybe you have to experience picking up a couple of hundred pheasants with the heads off first. Then the respect you have for them will vanish pretty quickly. Humans kill for the fun of it all the time....... is that why we have no respect for each other. There should be limitations to everything. DG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
provarmint 25 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I was not knocking the method, just saying its not for me, shooting does have its plus sides, i conceed to that. Quote from you "that in my opinion is trash" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dangergirl 13 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Yeah in my OPINION it IS trash, but it does have its pro´s!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dustyfox 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 People who do the fox hunts said that only the weak ones get caught, leaving the stronger ones to produce offspring talk about natural selection . The world runs on money, if a farmer wanted to choose methods of the two he will probably go for the Shooting method. You dont get a pack of hounds and horses on your land possably causing damage and alot of time and money goes into the hounds and horses. Shooting it could just be you and your gun and control foxes more effectively. Just my opinion Not against shooting or hunting. Df Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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