bill88 6 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Gnash,its a five minute job to dock and sterilise the the stumps of a litter of pups,but illegal.No vet in the british isles will dock a Doberman,its only working breeds that can be docked and even then certain regulations apply as Maltenby has already pointed out.As for having a litter of say? Terriers docked,this must be carried out by a vet and not all vets will do the docking,in fact a very high percentage won't.Docking is usually done withing 3 days of birth and the vet will microchip the pups at the same time,i've no idea what the cost is to be honest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Gnash,its a five minute job to dock and sterilise a litter of pups,but illegal.No vet in the british isles will dock a Doberman,its only working breeds that can be docked and even then certain regulations apply as Maltenby has already pointed out.As for having a litter of say? Terriers docked,this must be carried out by a vet and not all vets will do the docking,in fact a very high percentage won't.Docking is usually done withing 3 days of birth and the vet will microchip the pups at the same time,i've no idea what the cost is to be honest. I think that the people who bred my JRT paid something like £15 per dog for the docking, and £25 for the chip. Like you say Bill mate, very few vets will do it now, same with dew claws. When I asked about getting my lurcher pups claws out, the local vet told me that they're getting pressurised into taking less bits off of working dogs these days. Doesn't stop the fecking likes of the RSPCA recommending that you chop their fecking balls off though.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Here's what a docking certificate looks like, just in case anybody wondered! It gives info on the breeds allowed exemption, and all the sort of shite you need to get one: This one is specific to Wales, but I'm sure the conditions are identical for Englandshire! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,295 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Gnash,its a five minute job to dock and sterilise the the stumps of a litter of pups,but illegal.No vet in the british isles will dock a Doberman,its only working breeds that can be docked and even then certain regulations apply as Maltenby has already pointed out.As for having a litter of say? Terriers docked,this must be carried out by a vet and not all vets will do the docking,in fact a very high percentage won't.Docking is usually done withing 3 days of birth and the vet will microchip the pups at the same time,i've no idea what the cost is to be honest. Yep,cheers Bill sounds about right....never had any experience with docked breeds myself so all new to me....apparently it all came under the animal welfare act.....as regards dewclaws im pretty sure its not illegal to whip them off.....to be honest ive never really paid much attention to these breeds but ive kept an eye out for dobermans the last few days and they certainly look a bit odd with tails on....in fairness i cant see any reason a doberman would need its tail docked not being a working breed and all but i think its ridiculous with some other breeds that might work but might not what harms it do you shouldnt have to come up with all this proof and paperwork malarky like above. Edited January 9, 2009 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 but i think its ridiculous with some other breeds that might work but might not what harms it do you shouldnt have to come up with all this proof and paperwork malarky like above. It's a joke, isn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RatSnatcher 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I've got a pup here with no papers and its been docked I bought it of a guy I met in a pub have I commited an offence? I will add I am a pest controller..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Night Hunter 109 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I've got a pup here with no papers and its been docked I bought it of a guy I met in a pub have I commited an offence? I will add I am a pest controller..... honest officer i bought it fae a man in the pub he said it got its tail caught in the car door and it fell aff...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Molie1337 35 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I've got a pup here with no papers and its been docked I bought it of a guy I met in a pub have I commited an offence? I will add I am a pest controller..... Same here ,ive got a few written permissions, so does that mean i can keep my dogs tail short or do i get the tail growing stuff from the vets !? when did this ban come into effect ?! i think that paperwork looks a bit much! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I've got a pup here with no papers and its been docked I bought it of a guy I met in a pub have I commited an offence? I will add I am a pest controller..... Same here ,ive got a few written permissions, so does that mean i can keep my dogs tail short or do i get the tail growing stuff from the vets !? when did this ban come into effect ?! i think that paperwork looks a bit much! Your not fecking wrong mate, it is too much. I just hope that if I ever decide to breed from my bitch, she's the type that bites the tails off the pups.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lennythetip 5 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 its true it must be prooven that the pups are going to become working dogs, ive never had a dog with a tail until my lurcher, its blooming annoying as i have bruises all up my thighs It has to be likely not proven. The breeder of the pups has to produce either a gun licence, a permission letter covering pest control, or proof of land ownership. What bearing all that nonsense will have on the pups is beyond me. Fair enough, you can prove that the Dam is a working animal, but how the hell do they know if the pups are to be workers or not? My JRT is legally docked, if I remember later on, I'll scan the paperwork, and post a copy up here just so people can see the bullshit. It's about 10 fecking pages long! Out of interest how much do different people pay for tail docking? In gloucestershire I can get it done for 40 quid a dog. thats the cheapest i could find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
little nell 0 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 If you want a docked dobe then you will have to import or get one older than 3 yrs. There are sadly many coming into rescue all the time who need new homes, and not every one comes in with "issues". We have fostered 4 so far, and hope to do so again. As for the dobe "working" - the "dock and crop" was based on their protection role and goes back to Herr Dobermann who "built" the dobe from using a variety of breeds. The dock =No tail to be grabbed or damaged, The crop= can pinpoint sound location more accurately. We have docked bitch and natural dog and tbh it does not change the dog's character. They are both typical dobes, with all the same drives etc. One is from a recognised working line, the other a rescue whose background we don't know much about. If anything we think our boy will eventually out corner our girl, using his tail as counterbalance... or he will when he can increase his speed to match hers- his dum dum feet slow him down. She is much faster than him on the straight though, and regularly chomps bunny on our walks having the speed, prey drive, a good nose and patience! Here is our docked girl Here is our boy Having brown dobes always confuses the issue whether they have tails or not, and we are often amused at the breed suggestions that we hear when out and about on our travels.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toka 10 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 just posted this on another site....there are loads of different things vets can ask for, a letter from a landowner confirming work, sgc, fac, letters from all prospective owners saying they will work the pup etc... Personally i have seen working dogs whose tails have be injured [not seen a terrier though] so i would always prefer a docked one as first choice....but wouldnt let that stop me getting one if it had a tail, i would worry though about the damage and distress if it happenned and it needed removing at an older age as it can be life threatening. i recently had a discussion with our local vet who wont dock, there was a trainee vet in with him so i took the chance to grill them. the vet initially gave me the argument that he wouldn't consider docking as he said they had to look at the need to dock....risk assess every thing and if the owner is putting the dog into a position whereby they could get that injured that the vet has to possibly remove one of the dogs limbs [amputate the tail or part of] as a result then we the owenrs should rethink our use of them... whistle, on those grounds he couldnt justify docking dogs. he didnt know about terriers ratting etc and doesnt have a great deal of working dogs on his register, most want him to dock for cosmetic purpose only:angry1:, as such all his arguments were based around the kc/show ring stuff. the trainee said that her calss had watched a docking and they all refused to ever perform one..she admitted that all her class were vets coming into the practice from towns/cities and didnt have a lot of knowledge of working/country pratices but just wanted to 'help' animals. at this point the vet went on about the nt of red tape and admitted whatever his own feelings were the vets were all worried about doing something wrong and that the roayl college of vet surgeons would strike off any who did worng...hence most wont risk it [the real reason behind not wanting to dock] yes he went on to add that removal of dew claws, the vets felt, was a 'crueller' and more painful matter and would probably eventually be stopped! [and soon he seemed to think] he also mentioned the fact that the public complianed about all of this but allowed poisoning of rats which is one of the worst/cruelest way of killing them and noone blinks, so there is a big perception thing here, he thought eventually that would be stopped as well [or at least licenced due as ell to the number of pets affected by accident] i think if we want to keep having the option to dock we need to encourage country folk into the vets role otherwise things will really chance. luckily there is a country practice vet 6 miles away who will dock but only under strict rules [although they are will ing to discuss issues as presentation of a fac or sgc is a must, and most dog workers dont have one of these...they said a letter from landowner etc would probably suffice but they would want to talk it through] hope this makes sense, my preference is docked but i wouldnt turn my nose up at the right pup if it was long tailed. ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 One of my cocker's whelped today the pups are booked in at our vets to be docked on Monday costs £15 per dog including doing the dew claws they docked 4 litters of pups last year for me and the microchips are put in when the new owner has them vaccinated.All they wanted from me was a letter from a gamekeeper but as I am a keeper I just took my contract of employment only ever asked me the first time had no worries since Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy 76 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 get dog done at vets but as or chip it is upto new owner if they chip it you have done your bit by geting them docked at vets then pass on paper work to new owner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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