Missie 1 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) If you have permission from the landowner then have another word with them and see if they mind you going out during the shooting season. If not then next time you see the keeper let him know what the landowner has said. At the end of the day the keeper is only doing his job and trying to keep his birds for the shoot and if he goes to the landowner with his woes then you might end up losing your permission. Better to go about it in an adult way rather than having petty squabbles surely? Edited January 4, 2009 by Missie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SNAP SHOT 194 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wise words missie........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I have to agree with others; he (the keeper) is doing his job. Doubtless the shoot are paying for the rights on the land and the keeper is managing the land/vermin acordingly. I can see your argument also though. Get your permission in writing; to include any changes for seasons or not and you'll be in the right. There is no argument that shooting is more important than digging, but where shoots are concerned, invairably they will have a written lease of some sort, money will be exchanged and responsability for conservation and vermin control apointed accordingly. Maybe you could try getting onside with the keeper and showing what you are doing will help him? It may result in more opportunities? Certanly rubbing allong will only cause friction, to the detrement of both of you. ps; tresspasers can not be prosecuted, so there is no worry there. "poachers" can be though! As for your last question....aniseed lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I have to agree with others; he (the keeper) is doing his job. Doubtless the shoot are paying for the rights on the land and the keeper is managing the land/vermin acordingly. I can see your argument also though. Get your permission in writing; to include any changes for seasons or not and you'll be in the right. There is no argument that shooting is more important than digging, but where shoots are concerned, invairably they will have a written lease of some sort, money will be exchanged and responsability for conservation and vermin control apointed accordingly. Maybe you could try getting onside with the keeper and showing what you are doing will help him? It may result in more opportunities? Certanly rubbing allong will only cause friction, to the detrement of both of you. ps; tresspasers can not be prosecuted, so there is no worry there. "poachers" can be though! As for your last question....aniseed lol the spot is cluttered with "public footpath" signs, so obviously, im am just on a late night walk with my dogs, and not "poaching" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1289drew 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 just a thought mate being a fecking keeper myself have you ever thought of getting him envoled with what you are doing?!! for example seeing if he wants to go out with you as a big thing for a keeper is trust try it you might be surprised!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 the spot is cluttered with "public footpath" signs, so obviously, im am just on a late night walk with my dogs, and not "poaching" In that case just don't get bubbled then....... It would be much better if in situations like this both sides could work together; far too often we hear similar stories, and taking the line of f**k it I'll carry on and f**k them if they have a problem, I'll just have their birds (not aimed at you directly) does none of us any favours, and invairably someone looses out in the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moley 115 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 the spot is cluttered with "public footpath" signs, so obviously, im am just on a late night walk with my dogs, and not "poaching" In that case just don't get bubbled then....... It would be much better if in situations like this both sides could work together; far too often we hear similar stories, and taking the line of f**k it I'll carry on and f**k them if they have a problem, I'll just have their birds (not aimed at you directly) does none of us any favours, and invairably someone looses out in the end. its far easier to work with , than against Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 the spot is cluttered with "public footpath" signs, so obviously, im am just on a late night walk with my dogs, and not "poaching" In that case just don't get bubbled then....... It would be much better if in situations like this both sides could work together; far too often we hear similar stories, and taking the line of f**k it I'll carry on and f**k them if they have a problem, I'll just have their birds (not aimed at you directly) does none of us any favours, and invairably someone looses out in the end. its far easier to work with , than against I think so too; and certanly has a better outcome in the long run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullterrier Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 some good advice given which you could take or you could see some one else with your permission Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fazza123 515 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 They think there the police these days thats what gets me!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giro 2,648 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Rabbit hunter they will do you in on there if you get lippy, i know a few lads been chased and one got a fat lip. Its not the keeper its the boys on the syndicate you have to look out for.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 They think there the police these days thats what gets me!!!! Who does? Keepers?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SportingShooter 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Another fecking keeper here :D Now here's my position on the whole, Shooting/Dog Work situation (not really a situation, more state of affairs) I've never had Lurchers work my ground, a lot of it is unsuitable for a good few of them so I'm told. I've just got on with things and shot what I need to. I do like not having to worry about birds in the woods and coverts not being disturbed, either myself or another keeper will lamp perhaps once a week or ten days, as the fox population and the amount of land to cover isn't that much. There are some foxes here which are crafty and would be better suited to a nimble dog on their tail, if it were legal Rabbits? There just aren't the number here, I shoot maybe six in twelve months. I have terrier men who come here to deal with dens for me when the cubs are about, always remembered them being here. And always greatful when they knock a few off for me. I've no objection to someone coming with a lurcher for a few runs, I've never seen it, so wouldn't mind, contrary to what people think. But a) I'd like to know when they we're there, I'd like to know them or at least have them recommended by someone I trust or c) take them out myself. If I we're in the keepers position, I'd be the same, if I'd never met you, and had no idea of what you were like as a person, I'd be edgy and apprehensive. Try and get along, have a drink, discuss what you want to happen, it may pay dividends! The Feck Him thing I think would make things worse and end up with less than you started with, friction doesn't do anyone any good. Oh and Yes, Aniseed SS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Another fecking keeper here :D Now here's my position on the whole, Shooting/Dog Work situation (not really a situation, more state of affairs) I've never had Lurchers work my ground, a lot of it is unsuitable for a good few of them so I'm told. I've just got on with things and shot what I need to. I do like not having to worry about birds in the woods and coverts not being disturbed, either myself or another keeper will lamp perhaps once a week or ten days, as the fox population and the amount of land to cover isn't that much. There are some foxes here which are crafty and would be better suited to a nimble dog on their tail, if it were legal Rabbits? There just aren't the number here, I shoot maybe six in twelve months. I have terrier men who come here to deal with dens for me when the cubs are about, always remembered them being here. And always greatful when they knock a few off for me. I've no objection to someone coming with a lurcher for a few runs, I've never seen it, so wouldn't mind, contrary to what people think. But a) I'd like to know when they we're there, I'd like to know them or at least have them recommended by someone I trust or c) take them out myself. If I we're in the keepers position, I'd be the same, if I'd never met you, and had no idea of what you were like as a person, I'd be edgy and apprehensive. Try and get along, have a drink, discuss what you want to happen, it may pay dividends! The Feck Him thing I think would make things worse and end up with less than you started with, friction doesn't do anyone any good. Oh and Yes, Aniseed SS Well said from someone in that position. Its that f**k 'em attitude which causes keepers/owners to not trust or want anyone there in the first place, the whole reason many have a negative impression, which is only a bad thing for all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fazza123 515 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I could never speak on the whole,but the one near me needs a fecking good hiding! I know everyone is different and hopefully no where near as much as a prick as this guy but surely thats there job to look for poachers and thats what they get off on!It would be boring other wise???Or am i wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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