Stayers or Quitters?

[Guest JOEB]

Hi lads,

It seems to be the accepted wisdom that if perents to a terrier are good, then the pups should be good, and vice versa.

I will say now that I dont and never have dug to a terrier or worked the red-uns, so this if deffo not the voice of experience.

 

My question is, is it really all in the breeding or can a pup be made good no matter what if it is entered correctly.

Again the flip side is, that no matter if the perents are 100%, you may still get a crap pup!

 

Is breeding and good perents really the holy grail or can you get a bit hung up on what the perents do or dont do?

 

I can understand why blokes cull as if it was something genetic, I would do the same, but because the perents didnt do the business?

I wonder if all these culled pups would be non-starters?

Not having a pop at the lads that cull, just be interesting to see what you think?

All the best,

JOEB

[Wilky 0]

You're probably going to get pages of very genuine replies which will be very lengthy and very informative from very genuine lads, but the top and bottom of it is :-

 

BREEDING FROM SHITE IS EXPECTING SHITE

 

BREEDING FROM THE BEST IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU'LL GET THE BEST, BUT IF REARED AND ENTERED PROPERLY THE ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOUR AND IT'S DEFINATELY THE ONLY WAY. DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE OPTIONS.

[Kye 77]

Seriously know...has ANYONE ever bred a litter with NO culls...dogs that wouldnt go, or make the grade?...ive never heard of a litter of, say six pups, and ALL where great workers...ive seen plenty where all pups worked, but at totaly different ends of the rainbow...ive seen stone cold killers..mute dogs that wouldnt budge an inch..and its litter bro/sis would be a yappy twat, 12" up the pipe (which imo, isnt proper work)..

Kye,..

[Guest george26]

You're probably going to get pages of very genuine replies which will be very lengthy and very informative from very genuine lads, but the top and bottom of it is :-

 

BREEDING FROM SHITE IS EXPECTING SHITE

 

BREEDING FROM THE BEST IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU'LL GET THE BEST, BUT IF REARED AND ENTERED PROPERLY THE ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOUR AND IT'S DEFINATELY THE ONLY WAY. DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE OPTIONS.

[bANNED TEXT] about the the running dog named FETTLE i think was its name that was bred out of a non worker and she turned out to be an exelent dog so in my opinion it doesnt matter about the parents.

[Guest chilli]

You're probably going to get pages of very genuine replies which will be very lengthy and very informative from very genuine lads, but the top and bottom of it is :-

 

BREEDING FROM SHITE IS EXPECTING SHITE

 

BREEDING FROM THE BEST IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU'LL GET THE BEST, BUT IF REARED AND ENTERED PROPERLY THE ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOUR AND IT'S DEFINATELY THE ONLY WAY. DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE OPTIONS.

[bANNED TEXT] about the the running dog named FETTLE i think was its name that was bred out of a non worker and she turned out to be an exelent dog so in my opinion it doesnt matter about the parents.

 

 

you will allways get acception to the rules , what these lads are talkin about is getting the odds of success on there side by useing workers .

[Wilky 0]

[bANNED TEXT] about the the running dog named FETTLE i think was its name that was bred out of a non worker and she turned out to be an exelent dog so in my opinion it doesnt matter about the parents.

 

 

1) The lad was talking about terriers.

 

2) There are always going to be tales of wonder dogs from dodgy parents or re-homing centres, but how many of them REALLY hold water and who in their right minds would take that gamble anyway.

 

3) It's opinions like yours that are spewing out show shite by the bucketful and raking in big money into the bargain. The only pedigree worth talking about is a working pedigree, breeding from tried and tested proven parents, time and time again. I'm not going to get into an argument over this as everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I stand by what I believe :-

 

BREED FROM SHITE AND YOU CAN EXPECT SHITE - DON'T MOAN ABOUT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS!!!

[Guest JOEB]

Ok.....that all makes sense to me, but lets consider another situation.

 

If a dog has worked very well for a few years, but then one day decides to quit cold......would or should he/she still be considered a breeding prospect

 

There no hidden agenda on my part here, just thought it may make an intresting discussion.

All the best,

JOEB

[thurso jack 3]

Ok.....that all makes sense to me, but lets consider another situation.

 

If a dog has worked very well for a few years, but then one day decides to quit cold......would or should he/she still be considered a breeding prospect

 

There no hidden agenda on my part here, just thought it may make an intresting discussion.

All the best,

JOEB

 

Simple answer IMHO NO NO NO

 

 

Or what if the said dog worked like a wonder for 2-4 seasons then said no, but up until this was the nutts??

[Guest george26]

[bANNED TEXT] about the the running dog named FETTLE i think was its name that was bred out of a non worker and she turned out to be an exelent dog so in my opinion it doesnt matter about the parents.

 

 

1) The lad was talking about terriers.

 

2) There are always going to be tales of wonder dogs from dodgy parents or re-homing centres, but how many of them REALLY hold water and who in their right minds would take that gamble anyway.

 

3) It's opinions like yours that are spewing out show shite by the bucketful and raking in big money into the bargain. The only pedigree worth talking about is a working pedigree, breeding from tried and tested proven parents, time and time again. I'm not going to get into an argument over this as everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I stand by what I believe :-

 

BREED FROM SHITE AND YOU CAN EXPECT SHITE - DON'T MOAN ABOUT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS!!!

I used it as an example mate

[matulkoh 66]

Ok.....that all makes sense to me, but lets consider another situation.

 

If a dog has worked very well for a few years, but then one day decides to quit cold......would or should he/she still be considered a breeding prospect

 

There no hidden agenda on my part here, just thought it may make an intresting discussion.

All the best,

JOEB

 

i ve question, did anybody of y lads saw a terrier which work proper for few seasons and then quit with out

reason, i did not. if y wanna breed from non working parents y have to known well their chracter an temperament, it was my case no pure bedlington with fci pedigree in my area- slovakia, czech, austria, hungary, germany work under ground so i wait for few years for good cross and chose a litter, same i m gona do this autum when im planning to buy another litter, but if y have a chance to buy a litter from good working stock there is nothing to think about

patts are pure hard workers how many litters will work from one cross and how many from foxterriers cross, from patts may be all of them, from foxterrier y ll be happy if one or two, i can see it on friends dogs.

[fellman 116]

IM NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER YOUR Q JOEB

BUT CONSIDER THIS ............

A AWFULL LOT OF LADS ARE WASTING THERE TIME KEEPING BLOODLINES GOING(TERRIERS LURCHERS HOUNDS ) IF THE PARENTS DONT MATTER WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?

 

THEY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE AS SOMEONE SAID ON HERE BREED FROM SHITE GET SHITE BREED FROM GOOD STUFF BIGGER PERCENTAGE WILL MAKE THE GRADE ....OH YEAH AND A GUY CALLED CHARLES DARWIN RECONS IT WORKS TOO ................

THEORY OF EVOLUTION I THINK HE CALLED IT

YIS FELLMAN

[Guest george26]

[bANNED TEXT] about the the running dog named FETTLE i think was its name that was bred out of a non worker and she turned out to be an exelent dog so in my opinion it doesnt matter about the parents.

 

 

1) The lad was talking about terriers.

 

2) There are always going to be tales of wonder dogs from dodgy parents or re-homing centres, but how many of them REALLY hold water and who in their right minds would take that gamble anyway.

 

3) It's opinions like yours that are spewing out show shite by the bucketful and raking in big money into the bargain. The only pedigree worth talking about is a working pedigree, breeding from tried and tested proven parents, time and time again. I'm not going to get into an argument over this as everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I stand by what I believe :-

 

BREED FROM SHITE AND YOU CAN EXPECT SHITE - DON'T MOAN ABOUT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS!!!

[bANNED TEXT] you talking about nikey

I used it as an example mate

Noticed you just joined George26......No relation to Paul26 ?

[Guest JOEB]

IM NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER YOUR Q JOEB

BUT CONSIDER THIS ............

A AWFULL LOT OF LADS ARE WASTING THERE TIME KEEPING BLOODLINES GOING(TERRIERS LURCHERS HOUNDS ) IF THE PARENTS DONT MATTER WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?

 

THEY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE AS SOMEONE SAID ON HERE BREED FROM SHITE GET SHITE BREED FROM GOOD STUFF BIGGER PERCENTAGE WILL MAKE THE GRADE ....OH YEAH AND A GUY CALLED CHARLES DARWIN RECONS IT WORKS TOO ................

THEORY OF EVOLUTION I THINK HE CALLED IT

YIS FELLMAN

 

How you doing mate

I never said that bloodlines dont matter, I just wondered if they were the be all and end all?

Theres a lot of guys on here whos posts I read and who have forgot more than I will ever know about terriers, and I am not dissrepecting them in any way.

But could someone give someone like yourself or any of the other lads a pup and ask you to enter it.

Theres a good chance it would work, you and I know its not allways the case but it could happen.

As for Darwin....they gave me the elbow from school before we got that far

As I said before, just thought it might be an intresting topic.....but then again.im just a messer

All the best,

JOEB

[pickaxe 23]

I've chatted with a few of the real old school[they'd love that lol ]one of the best conversations, i had was with J.Park, and his saying of , "you can't breed rats from mice" sums it up ...

bloodlines are every thing,

scattered bred show crap is every where, and as each year goes on, less and less are breed purely for work,

 

the main problem is the definition of worker!!!

[Kane 2]

Bloodlines are everything and one generation of good workers isnt enough there must be a history of working generations JMO.