bignoel 14 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 doe's anyone know how long the mentor thing runs for or a rough idea Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 It runs until your mentor is satisfied that you can do whatever they're mentoring without their presence. So if you get the experience in 2 weeks, it can be as short as that. TBH, it's a good idea in theory, but annoyingly overused by terrified police forces in today's litigious society Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Deer Mentoring...first off this has NO basis in Law (yet) but is becoming more and more a requirement (or DSC1...sometimes BOTH). And please don't mention the smaller deer with .22 centrefires..it just gets sillier!!! That being the case there are NO rules..it is down to how each region wants to administer the "system". For my sins I am a Deer Mentor and my region want experience and competence and safety demonstrated to an adequate extent (Yeah I know..define that). Their simplistic and basic interpretation of this is a minimum of 6 Deer and 6 Months mentoring, Gralloching features high too!!! You can argue the case as much as you want, but not with me..I am simply the Mentor..end of!!! Funny old world, plenty of people have been wondering around shooting fox for years with a .243, but then ask for Deer and the police tend to throw a wobbly!! Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) ive had it and think its a load of bollocks to be fair ! if you want to shoot deer for the 1st time and you never have then having a mentor is a good thing. i would perfer to do that then do the dsc1 course. but i dont shoot deer so to have it on a centrefire for foxing is wrong i think. if i had 22lr hmr and a 22 centrefire from the start of a grant then maybe. but to have rimfires for 8 months and then put in for a centrefire and get it back with mentoring is wrong imo ITS SAYS TO ME YOU CAN HAVE THE RIFLE BUT YOU CANT SHOOT IT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOUR NOT SAFE SURLY THEN THEY SHOULDNT GIVE YOU ONE. i no the police are covering there backs but for someone thats had other rifles before hand why should they need mentoring now ! yes a centrefire is much more powerfull then rimfires but the safety side is still the same. i think it needs a shake up on some of the rules there is no rules on mentoring so the police are making up rules as they go along. you could put your case forward and say that this law is wrong but most people wont ! because they feel worried next time they put in for something a mark maybe against there name ! Edited January 2, 2009 by jamie g Quote Link to post
bignoel 14 Posted January 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 hmm thanks guy's my fao has told me 6mths which leaves me with 4 weeks to go . Quote Link to post
bignoel 14 Posted January 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 ive had it and think its a load of bollocks to be fair ! if you want to shoot deer for the 1st time and you never have then having a mentor is a good thing. i would perfer to do that then do the dsc1 course. but i dont shoot deer so to have it on a centrefire for foxing is wrong i think. if i had 22lr hmr and a 22 centrefire from the start of a grant then maybe. but to have rimfires for 8 months and then put in for a centrefire and get it back with mentoring is wrong imo ITS SAYS TO ME YOU CAN HAVE THE RIFLE BUT YOU CANT SHOOT IT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOUR NOT SAFE SURLY THEN THEY SHOULDNT GIVE YOU ONE. i no the police are covering there backs but for someone thats had other rifles before hand why should they need mentoring now ! yes a centrefire is much more powerfull then rimfires but the safety side is still the same. i think it needs a shake up on some of the rules there is no rules on mentoring so the police are making up rules as they go along. you could put your case forward and say that this law is wrong but most people wont ! because they feel worried next time they put in for something a mark maybe against there name ! so this mentor thing is not law and me doing 6 mths is bullshite ? shooting fox with a 222 i was thinking 6mths seems alongtime .so when my mentor is finished say i want a 243 wich i will for deer roe/fallow/fox will i have to go through this bullshite again or can i oppose the mentor thing Quote Link to post
johndownes 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) Ive not Long had my fire arms certificate and they have done the same to me. I have been out with lots of people to shoot vermin with .22RF and .222 and .223 center fires, told the fao when he came out for my interview, but they still put mentoring on my .22RF and .222, he even took the names of the people Ive been shooting with but never contacted them. I was not impressed. Edited January 3, 2009 by johndownes Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 ive had it and think its a load of bollocks to be fair ! if you want to shoot deer for the 1st time and you never have then having a mentor is a good thing. i would perfer to do that then do the dsc1 course. but i dont shoot deer so to have it on a centrefire for foxing is wrong i think. if i had 22lr hmr and a 22 centrefire from the start of a grant then maybe. but to have rimfires for 8 months and then put in for a centrefire and get it back with mentoring is wrong imo ITS SAYS TO ME YOU CAN HAVE THE RIFLE BUT YOU CANT SHOOT IT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOUR NOT SAFE SURLY THEN THEY SHOULDNT GIVE YOU ONE. i no the police are covering there backs but for someone thats had other rifles before hand why should they need mentoring now ! yes a centrefire is much more powerfull then rimfires but the safety side is still the same. i think it needs a shake up on some of the rules there is no rules on mentoring so the police are making up rules as they go along. you could put your case forward and say that this law is wrong but most people wont ! because they feel worried next time they put in for something a mark maybe against there name ! so this mentor thing is not law and me doing 6 mths is bullshite ? shooting fox with a 222 i was thinking 6mths seems alongtime .so when my mentor is finished say i want a 243 wich i will for deer roe/fallow/fox will i have to go through this bullshite again or can i oppose the mentor thing Irish Flag and Surrey???? England...can't comment or Ireland The Mentoring is NOT LAW..but there are suggestions made about it in Police guidelines. If you wish to call it bullshite (which I would "gererally", although not entirely agree with) that's up to you! You are perfectly free to make your feelings known to the police on the subject and oppose it as much as you like...I would be more than interested to hear how you get on!! Quote Link to post
Fidgety 8 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Best not blot your copybook and do the time. I doubt a run in with the FEO would make life easy, perhaps a strong case with evidence, (letters from people who have witnessed your shooting and safety) politely put forward would help. Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 ive had it and think its a load of bollocks to be fair ! if you want to shoot deer for the 1st time and you never have then having a mentor is a good thing. i would perfer to do that then do the dsc1 course. but i dont shoot deer so to have it on a centrefire for foxing is wrong i think. if i had 22lr hmr and a 22 centrefire from the start of a grant then maybe. but to have rimfires for 8 months and then put in for a centrefire and get it back with mentoring is wrong imo ITS SAYS TO ME YOU CAN HAVE THE RIFLE BUT YOU CANT SHOOT IT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOUR NOT SAFE SURLY THEN THEY SHOULDNT GIVE YOU ONE. i no the police are covering there backs but for someone thats had other rifles before hand why should they need mentoring now ! yes a centrefire is much more powerfull then rimfires but the safety side is still the same. i think it needs a shake up on some of the rules there is no rules on mentoring so the police are making up rules as they go along. you could put your case forward and say that this law is wrong but most people wont ! because they feel worried next time they put in for something a mark maybe against there name ! yes your laws are different there then here in england. you could ask the basc if your a member they mite have a word with your firearms department. but like i said they could dig there heels in when you apply for stuff in future. i would just hold out and you will be fine. so this mentor thing is not law and me doing 6 mths is bullshite ? shooting fox with a 222 i was thinking 6mths seems alongtime .so when my mentor is finished say i want a 243 wich i will for deer roe/fallow/fox will i have to go through this bullshite again or can i oppose the mentor thing Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Ive not Long had my fire arms certificate and they have done the same to me. I have been out with lots of people to shoot vermin with .22RF and .222 and .223 center fires, told the fao when he came out for my interview, but they still put mentoring on my .22RF and .222, he even took the names of the people Ive been shooting with but never contacted them. I was not impressed. hi john you live in worcester ? drop us a pm mate and i will tell you a good way to get it off quicker Quote Link to post
bignoel 14 Posted January 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 ive had it and think its a load of bollocks to be fair ! if you want to shoot deer for the 1st time and you never have then having a mentor is a good thing. i would perfer to do that then do the dsc1 course. but i dont shoot deer so to have it on a centrefire for foxing is wrong i think. if i had 22lr hmr and a 22 centrefire from the start of a grant then maybe. but to have rimfires for 8 months and then put in for a centrefire and get it back with mentoring is wrong imo ITS SAYS TO ME YOU CAN HAVE THE RIFLE BUT YOU CANT SHOOT IT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOUR NOT SAFE SURLY THEN THEY SHOULDNT GIVE YOU ONE. i no the police are covering there backs but for someone thats had other rifles before hand why should they need mentoring now ! yes a centrefire is much more powerfull then rimfires but the safety side is still the same. i think it needs a shake up on some of the rules there is no rules on mentoring so the police are making up rules as they go along. you could put your case forward and say that this law is wrong but most people wont ! because they feel worried next time they put in for something a mark maybe against there name ! so this mentor thing is not law and me doing 6 mths is bullshite ? shooting fox with a 222 i was thinking 6mths seems alongtime .so when my mentor is finished say i want a 243 wich i will for deer roe/fallow/fox will i have to go through this bullshite again or can i oppose the mentor thing Irish Flag and Surrey???? England...can't comment or Ireland The Mentoring is NOT LAW..but there are suggestions made about it in Police guidelines. If you wish to call it bullshite (which I would "gererally", although not entirely agree with) that's up to you! You are perfectly free to make your feelings known to the police on the subject and oppose it as much as you like...I would be more than interested to hear how you get on!! [irish flag and surrey ] whats that all about then ??? Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 ive had it and think its a load of bollocks to be fair ! if you want to shoot deer for the 1st time and you never have then having a mentor is a good thing. i would perfer to do that then do the dsc1 course. but i dont shoot deer so to have it on a centrefire for foxing is wrong i think. if i had 22lr hmr and a 22 centrefire from the start of a grant then maybe. but to have rimfires for 8 months and then put in for a centrefire and get it back with mentoring is wrong imo ITS SAYS TO ME YOU CAN HAVE THE RIFLE BUT YOU CANT SHOOT IT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOUR NOT SAFE SURLY THEN THEY SHOULDNT GIVE YOU ONE. i no the police are covering there backs but for someone thats had other rifles before hand why should they need mentoring now ! yes a centrefire is much more powerfull then rimfires but the safety side is still the same. i think it needs a shake up on some of the rules there is no rules on mentoring so the police are making up rules as they go along. you could put your case forward and say that this law is wrong but most people wont ! because they feel worried next time they put in for something a mark maybe against there name ! so this mentor thing is not law and me doing 6 mths is bullshite ? shooting fox with a 222 i was thinking 6mths seems alongtime .so when my mentor is finished say i want a 243 wich i will for deer roe/fallow/fox will i have to go through this bullshite again or can i oppose the mentor thing Irish Flag and Surrey???? England...can't comment or Ireland The Mentoring is NOT LAW..but there are suggestions made about it in Police guidelines. If you wish to call it bullshite (which I would "gererally", although not entirely agree with) that's up to you! You are perfectly free to make your feelings known to the police on the subject and oppose it as much as you like...I would be more than interested to hear how you get on!! [irish flag and surrey ] whats that all about then ??? You say from Surrey and show an Irish flag...no idea whos laws apply to you!! Quote Link to post
bignoel 14 Posted January 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 clue maybe a irishman liveing in surrey . if liveing in uk then its uk law's ? DER Quote Link to post
arveyboy 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 clue maybe a irishman liveing in surrey . if liveing in uk then its uk law's ? DER bignoel, you will actually find that firearms laws and guidelines are significantly different depending where you live in the UK. i think thats what deker was implying with regards to laws. the DER wasnt needed if you feel you need to get into an argument then you're on the wrong site :bye: Quote Link to post
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