Breeding and Testing

[heart of wales 19]

Dog breeding is no overnight quick fix fad,unless you have no consience and could not give a f""K about Your dogs and the people you sell or give them to.

You have to start somewhere and the Sire and Dam must fufill all your needs to the letter,heard to many excuses,about a sire or dam and yet person still bred them,classic is people breeding working dogs from show champions because they looked good.

The strain of lurcher I started breeding just Two years ago German Shepherd x Greyhound was bred from both proven parents with no faults that I know of however both met all my needs.My bitch who is over Two Years old now has not let me down in any area at all,however I would still consider her to have a lot to prove prior to breeding her,at least two more hard seasons.

Four people have contacted me wanting pups out of her to another good Greyhound,but as I have said to them,You will have a long and perhaps a wasted two years because if she does not come up to scratch,I will not be breeding from her.

[Guest night time my time]

Dog breeding is no overnight quick fix fad,unless you have no consience and could not give a f""K about Your dogs and the people you sell or give them to.

You have to start somewhere and the Sire and Dam must fufill all your needs to the letter,heard to many excuses,about a sire or dam and yet person still bred them,classic is people breeding working dogs from show champions because they looked good.

The strain of lurcher I started breeding just Two years ago German Shepherd x Greyhound was bred from both proven parents with no faults that I know of however both met all my needs.My bitch who is over Two Years old now has not let me down in any area at all,however I would still consider her to have a lot to prove prior to breeding her,at least two more hard seasons.

Four people have contacted me wanting pups out of her to another good Greyhound,but as I have said to them,You will have a long and perhaps a wasted two years because if she does not come up to scratch,I will not be breeding from her.

so your talking of haveing a bitch maybe 4 to 5 years before she has her 1st litter,?

[harddigging 42]

Dog breeding is no overnight quick fix fad,unless you have no consience and could not give a f""K about Your dogs and the people you sell or give them to.

You have to start somewhere and the Sire and Dam must fufill all your needs to the letter,heard to many excuses,about a sire or dam and yet person still bred them,classic is people breeding working dogs from show champions because they looked good.

The strain of lurcher I started breeding just Two years ago German Shepherd x Greyhound was bred from both proven parents with no faults that I know of however both met all my needs.My bitch who is over Two Years old now has not let me down in any area at all,however I would still consider her to have a lot to prove prior to breeding her,at least two more hard seasons.

Four people have contacted me wanting pups out of her to another good Greyhound,but as I have said to them,You will have a long and perhaps a wasted two years because if she does not come up to scratch,I will not be breeding from her.

so your talking of haveing a bitch maybe 4 to 5 years before she has her 1st litter,?

i personaly belive that is around the right age for when they have proved themslf

[Guest night time my time]

Dog breeding is no overnight quick fix fad,unless you have no consience and could not give a f""K about Your dogs and the people you sell or give them to.

You have to start somewhere and the Sire and Dam must fufill all your needs to the letter,heard to many excuses,about a sire or dam and yet person still bred them,classic is people breeding working dogs from show champions because they looked good.

The strain of lurcher I started breeding just Two years ago German Shepherd x Greyhound was bred from both proven parents with no faults that I know of however both met all my needs.My bitch who is over Two Years old now has not let me down in any area at all,however I would still consider her to have a lot to prove prior to breeding her,at least two more hard seasons.

Four people have contacted me wanting pups out of her to another good Greyhound,but as I have said to them,You will have a long and perhaps a wasted two years because if she does not come up to scratch,I will not be breeding from her.

so your talking of haveing a bitch maybe 4 to 5 years before she has her 1st litter,?

i personaly belive that is around the right age for when they have proved themslf

it is ideal that your dog is fully tested although i personaly dont think it takes that long to train and know what your dog is caperble of,if you have already picked your dog from its perfect parants then most of what you have is in the make up of your dog already,the rest is up to you and the the training and experiance you give your dog,a dog will learn all its life,eg;the older it gets it will start to make up in brains what it starts to lack in speed,also,if its a bitch your haveing the 1st litter from then she is phyiscly better off haveing her 1st litter at around 2 years old,only my opinion,

[harddigging 42]

just because a pup is bred right dose not for one miuite mean it will make the grade itself. everybodys opinions and standards are different. but for a dog to be bred out off in my eyes it really must be something special, % off the dogs out there are bred out off inadicate parents.

[matty73 4]

First of all, please forgive me if I can't get my thoughts across in a soundbite kind of way...

 

I've been sat here wondering about specific breeding goals and the resultant testing of dogs in the pursuit of those said goals.

 

If, for arguments sake, you had the intention of breeding some 3/4 whippet 1/4 bulls as I did a few years ago, would you bother to test the first generation cross (half bull - half whippet) knowing that the actual purpose of the cross was one generation away?

 

Let's say you had a good bull and a good whippet (this could work equally as well for a collie and a greyhound or a bedlington and a whippet...but hopefully you get the point) and your intention was a decent 3/4 bred, how much work do you put into the resultant half cross?

 

It's widely accepted by the standards that most of my hunting mates hold dear, that a dog isn't worth breeding from until they have proved themselves, usually the 3rd or 4th season, so if your intention was a a 3/4 bred from good base stock in say January 2009, you would be waiting a while before your prospective mating took place. Say you had half cross pups on the ground today..... their first season might arguably be 2009 or even 2010 depending on the cross. That might mean you are looking at 2013/2014 to be sure that the the half crosses are worth breeding off. How many are prepared to wait this long?

 

Given the fact that the sole intention of the breeding was for 3/4 crosses, how many would have given the first generation light work, if anything, and bred from them when physically able to?

 

I'm not fishing here...I really am genuinely interested.

 

What if the half crosses never make the grade, what do you do then? Do you ignore this and breed anyway as your sole intention was the 3/4 cross?

 

Any thoughts/opinions most welcome

depends what standard you want your end resulting stock to be if you want the best you only breed from best it can take several generations to get it right but only takes one bad lining to mess up and wish you never started not just working abilities mentally a dog should be sound as not only good traites get passed on nervous timid aggressive all things to be taken into account it would be easier to buy desired cross bred from good dogs that you have wittnessed doing the job theres plenty lads on here that will have what your looking for to help you out

[Guest night time my time]

maybe not but it gives it a massive head start, just out of intrest how meny litters have you bred and where does this experiance come from? my last bitch i bred for myself, (a 3/4 collie greyhound) i new was going to be a cracker at 10 weeks old,i dont have to wait 4/5 years to know if my dogs are any good or not,your almost to late to start breeding a bitch at that age,

Edited January 10, 2009 by night time my time

[Guest dances]

The thing is night time is right imho, yes it does help but i can give you two examples and when i get hold of my friend a possible third.

 

1) Danns general was not proven before bred to a greyhound bitch in the eighties yet produces good working dogs

 

2)Rio was bred from a 22inch pet bull and hes an extremely clever and fairly hard dog.

[Guest oldskool]

hope i dont get ridiculed but i had a stab at a similar experiment myself.... well it actually started out as an accident but i ran with it any way

 

i've only got a pic of this bitch... i owned her father (pitbull) and her mum was a whippet/greyhound... both of them were as hard as nails and brilliant at everything i put them to... she was in heat and he mated her (accidental)... the result was Trooper and she was a good single handed wee bitch but lacked the top gear for what i needed... so i bred her back to Lance, a greyhound dog that was only tested on light quarry...

 

 

 

the results were a mixed bunch of all sorts... some threw to the greyhound and even some of his grandparents... others threw to the whippet/greyhound (thats the one i kept)... i sold them to a few THL members with the hope that they would be as tough as the mum only with a 5 speed gear box... well, the feedback i recieved was mixed... so far i only know of 1 offspring that can take fox single handed and i think the rest only do it doubled up...

 

the wee bitch i kept back was the spit of the grand mother so i had high hopes for her but i never got to find out what her makings were because she got killed on a nights lamping a couple of years back...

 

 

 

 

 

 

would i do it again??? well maybe, i had trooper for about 4 years... one of those years she went on to a fella while i went to australia... i think if i still had her (RIP) i would have put her to a good workin whippet... to be honest the whole feckin thing is a game of chance... some people fall lucky and get exactly what they want where as some have good stuff and no matter what they cross it to they just cant reproduce the same good stuff...

 

if your like me and you've started off with grandparents and are lookin for a 3/4 cross i would say... you will break your heart at it...

 

 

and to add... if you've bred your half cross litter out of parents that have served you a long time and the litter are showing the same traits as they start they're working career then if you insist on breeding a 3/4 you might as well go for it... if later on you find that your first cross has spewed after doin so well then i dont think it means that your 3/4 cross litter is likely to spew too because there is just too many elements that can cause a dog to pack in... thats my pennys worth anyway

[Guest dances]

wat is that black and white dog called, i recognise him i think

[Guest night time my time]

no reason for anyone to ridicule you for that...that trooper is a very tidy little bitch mate,was the greyhound taller than her?

[Guest oldskool]

wat is that black and white dog called, i recognise him i think

 

 

 

he was a she and thats the one i kept back mate... she broke her neck...

 

 

 

 

night time...

 

she was about 22"tts and he stood at nearly 30"tts... i've got a greyhound bitch now at the moment and she would need to do fox for me to consider breeding from her... i think alot of lads rely to much on the base dog for things like foxes but i think its important to have both parents take your chosen quarry... i wouldnt expect a greyhound to do a bull terriers job but i would expect them to be able to handle themselves a bit before i breed off it (you live you learn)... the bitch i work with now barked when she came in contact with a fox and i was goin to rehome her but mum took her in... i will try her again to see if maybe she just needs turning on??

[Guest night time my time]

no expert but likely such a size differance could be why the litter didnt throw stright.

[whin 463]

ye you have to mate no other way had some bitches fail good nite, but had some that took to it second nature, klled foxes and hares rabbs roe gave her to ken smith who usd to breed pionter crosses he says some bitch , ye you shoiuld alway test them first , over by in the usa they have little fox traps for kit and silver foxes thtas how they do it over in some states , slip them and see what they can do , my old bitch lana her mother was so fast for the ground i had to watch her but she killed all sorts on the lamp but was steady with ferrets good natured had some who were buggers not many tho the bitches have all come to my way of thinking after a while had one recently nervy no good to me got her apet home ,cheers thtas how ive done it for years the old brindle bitch i had was not as fast as lanas mother but you could run her likea lurcher when fit , hope you get a good one

[whin 463]

gave a boy a kill for his greyhound held it alive and burried it in his kennel i laughed like fech wasnt intrested in it , was a good running dog but no killer instinct with real game unless on track thtas how you find out whats what with them greyhounds