Breeding and Testing

[blacktabs 3]

Why breed a half cross if your after a 3/4 bred Personally id be looking for the best half cross of the breed you require one thats thrown good animmals then get the right purebred to breed it to im sure theres a few good half breds out there of all crosses.

Creating your own line from scratch isnt easy a lot of mouths to feed and you will have to cull any weakness out,

3/4 breds can be good or really bad if you dont know what to look for in a pup to make sure you get a good one you will have to keep a few back to get the one thats thrown right if not you may give the best one away.

[Hannah4181 260]

IMO if your a responsible dog breeder and are set on breeding the 3/4 crosses, you would test the 1/2 crosses in all areas, work ability, general health, and temperament. If this takes 3/4 seasons then so be it, you only get quality with well thought out, well trained and well tested breeding stock.

 

The other side is that you have a friend/hunting partner with a well proved 1/2 cross which you could then use to produce your 3/4 crosses of choice, a quicker process and maybe better than risking a litter of half crosses that might not make the grade? Breeding is tough and IMO too many idiots are doing it and producing weak, un tested dogs. . . . . hence the amount of these we see for sale daily. . . . . . "My mates 100% proven on all quary 2 year old dog".

[mackay 3,435]

Personally I would want to test the first cross, but that's only one half of the equation, would you then test the pure side your using to create your three quarter bred ie greyhound, whippet etc ?. Take it back a step though, when breeding your first cross be it collie, bull or whatever do you test both parents before embarking on the next phase of the breeding plan.

No point in starting to test half roads into the breeding and then only one parent.... or does any greyhound, whippet etc suffice.

[donk 12]

What about faults from previous generations of sires and dams? How far back would you have to go to be certain that no genetic faults would be reproduced in later generations? If you catch my drift? (cos reading it back ive just confused my self lol)

[Guest night time my time]

What about faults from previous generations of sires and dams? How far back would you have to go to be certain that no genetic faults would be reproduced in later generations? If you catch my drift? (cos reading it back ive just confused my self lol)

a lot of faults will skip a generation,maybe two,greyhound and bull blood is very pure and fault free(it has to be as only the fittest servive in their game)faults will mostly come from what ever your crossing from or as a result of the cross itself,

[Fenland Joe 2]

If you want a litter of 3/4, go to someone who already has a proven 1st cross stud.

You shouldn't produce 1st crosses if you never intend on working them.

What do you intend on doing with the 1st cross when you have produced the 3/4 litter?

To me, every dog you produce should be fully appreciated, the first cross should be worked and used just as often as the 3/4's.

[whin 463]

bull bloods and greyhounds are full of faults , you only breed to the best types and ones athat are tested to the max look at all the cast greyhounds not many derby winners in them ,raced greyhounds coursed them bred of them, some that were good track dogs with no feet injuries and who were winners were the ones we used plus we tested them on hare rabbit deer fox , there only a small percentage of good dogs to breed from and most are not ie bull grey colli grey acd grey best ive saw were carefully bred good worker to good worker ,weather here in the british ilse or over in the usa all the dogs that one tournaments coursing etc were all of a stamp and a line , i bred two litts of colli greys 91 two became very good allrounders 4 became alrite 2 became rabbit dogs ,the best dogs ive saw were only line bred colli type, weather collies or saluk type ,saw hole lits of saluki greyhounds they are good ,but not as clever as the line bred type that one the cambridge cup or any there forleys or the feild trails for rabbiting type colli cross type , very dificult to bred what i would call a god dog putting one collie to one greyhound , beter always putting tried and tested worker to worker

[Guest night time my time]

mother and daughter, 1st x collie greyhound,she has produced som outstanding pups all her life,she is 12 now and is still one of the hardest working alround dogs iv seen,what she lacks in top end she more than makes up for in meny otherareas,,she will leave a very big gap to fill one day,

still cant beat her for driveing rabbits in the long nets, or ferreting,works cover like a spanial,give me the half x any day if i could only have one dog,

[whin 463]

only breed of the best you can get and test them till your happy, dog breeding good ones is a sceince and a lot of expierence what you look for in a line im more happier breding good working dog to working dog , and looking back at previos litters and seeing what ones the best stamp to carry on a line only way to get proven dogs ,without to much wastage at times, and if you think they lack pace get a good big whippet grew or tested greyhound of good breeding and performance

[Guest night time my time]

bull bloods and greyhounds are full of faults , you only breed to the best types and ones athat are tested to the max look at all the cast greyhounds not many derby winners in them ,raced greyhounds coursed them bred of them, some that were good track dogs with no feet injuries and who were winners were the ones we used plus we tested them on hare rabbit deer fox , there only a small percentage of good dogs to breed from and most are not ie bull grey colli grey acd grey best ive saw were carefully bred good worker to good worker ,weather here in the british ilse or over in the usa all the dogs that one tournaments coursing etc were all of a stamp and a line , i bred two litts of colli greys 91 two became very good allrounders 4 became alrite 2 became rabbit dogs ,the best dogs ive saw were only line bred colli type, weather collies or saluk type ,saw hole lits of saluki greyhounds they are good ,but not as clever as the line bred type that one the cambridge cup or any there forleys or the feild trails for rabbiting type colli cross type , very dificult to bred what i would call a god dog putting one collie to one greyhound , beter always putting tried and tested worker to worker

so what common gentic faults do greyhound carry?,1st sign of faults in greyhouds,lights out,whats the main sighthound used in a lurchers make up and why?start breeding lurcher to lurcher is where your going to get faults,anyone knows that, you use greyhound to strighten faults out in lurchers,there is nothing supearier to a greyhound for speed,

[whin 463]

had some good half crosses but some thru slow small and not pacy for local land ,but the big dogs we kept made 25 strong and fast wind feet and balls , some were heavy curly tailed ideal for working a net but not for what i hunt localy , localy the nite or day produces all types of game so its hard to ,rely on half crosses unles they throw 24 25 a nd pacy but with feet and wind , and when you put an injection of pace in then you have to pick the strong ones i bred a litt of colli line bred to greyhounds 5 were what i wanted three were like small greyhounds ideal for if you go only once twice a week ,i like a strong type , to last you 3 to4to 5 years with out feet trouble or wind trouble ie stamina ,no dog breeding isnt just about putting a herding dog to a greyhound thats only the start to get good dogs ,for allround work

[whin 463]

not genetic but lots of greyhounds are not suited to, lurcher breeding , look at a hanckock any greyhound and non working greyhounds and if you want to no the virtues of breeding greyhounds d slieght keeps a few on , lets say ive had several one was very good pace intelegence and took a telling others ive had dum hard headed and very nervy , now it carries thru , m chapam who had bob well he had one fault ie a fighter i got luke his son a fighter until he was 5 and calmed down , they wouldnt fite any dog but they took it in there heads some days and bang they were in , now lana a female not as bad but can be a wee fecher at times , but on the other hand they retreive to hand they come in wagging there tail with rabb and hare , they sit if u force them with rabbit and will not drop it as they are jealous we fechers but want to please you , they have other good pionts, dave only bred of the best whippet grews and greybounds so they through pacy ,the have plenty go even at nine , now you cant get that and never will just with a greyhound or colli tried it others have , not the same but you will get good dogs ,i saw kizzy katie bob luke lana all work from ninety to now , and peas in a pod when it comes to fetching heart and natural ability ,i had the pick of the litts of each litt so it made a big diffrence ,bob you could cast over a feild hunt a hare on seta side nabb it,, luke the same lana the same, you can get alot of qauliteis just with colli to greyhound same with saluk to greyhound , p douglaes maggie one the feild trails half sister to luke out in out rabbit dog but very good at it , you breed your brindle to the cattle dog cross , youll no your bitch and hopefully if the dog turns out youll no him so you no what they are going to throw , and if you do it for 30 years well or even 20 you will no whats good and bad mate honestly, the guys who bred your saluk pup and how i bre mines for were i am ,it wasnt luck it was breding , so you can do the same with colli crosses to mate , hey they may not be better than a first cross some times but if they breed [bANNED TEXT] they will be in the [bANNED TEXT] hands , all the best just the way went for me shees 7 days into heat now so will make the journey to her relaitions, pity you never had a good collli type dog and was closer mate

[Guest night time my time]

my line bred collie type stud dog,nothing he wont take and will knock a hedge down to get to it,no hancock in there either, a mother son breeding,pups from him to breeze 10 month old,

those pups will next be strightened to a whippet grey,

Edited January 10, 2009 by night time my time

[harddigging 42]

i dont think its possible for the average man to have a "breeding plan" the amount of space time and cost would be out off reach of most. first off all you need to source a whippet then a bull that task alone could take many years to search for the best, then when you have the litter youll have to run the entire litter on so you could select the best to carry on the line but even the best out the litter may only be average, what then do you wait a futher 5 years and start again i dont think many are that paitent. so the average first cross is then put back over another whippet or vice versa, how many off them are you going to keep back. it is impossible to get the best out of a dog while bringing on so many young. i just really recomend against trying to create your own lines by the time you get your result youll be to old to get out then someone else will only mess it up. let some one else do the breeding just be pateint and wait for what you want that way your onl wasting 2 yr if it dont make the grade and you know youve put your all into the individual.

 

p.s this is only my opinion and im certainly no expert, ive never ever had a litter of lurchers, ive never had one worth breeding out off. worth kenneling yes but breeding no

[Guest night time my time]

i aint a rich man but iv had this breeding plan for the last 15 years, have meny good dogs sat with mates so the blood is around to use, i also run my dogs hard night and day so to have a few about me is a must,dont get me wrong a lot of time effort expence a thought has to go into breeding your own line,i started when i lost my 1st lurcher and found him realy hard to replace, since then iv kept enough good working blood around me to not go short of a working dog,the more years iv been into it the more i still learn,