dogs shot

[jackard 36]

"AND IM A POACHER SO IF YOUR READING THIS FARMERS THINK BEFORE YOU SHOOT AS IT MIGHT BE ME YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH AFTER !!!!!! AND IM NOT BOTHERED ABOUT GOING TO PRISON AFTER IVE RUINED YOU ! "

 

Nice

and that's just the attitude that farmers will take when you have a well hard fool like you putting things up like that! and bet you would be first to run with your tail between your legs if you where caught?

why do you poacher? why don't you get of your arse and go and ask politely you might be surprised what answer you get

 

ive been caught loads of times poaching and have neva ran , but when ive been out running the dogs i would neva run my dogs near sheep !

 

all im saying is that from what ive read on hear if the farmer has been watching this lad for 2 hours working his dogs on permission then to me it sounds as tho the farmer has been waiting for his dogs to go on his land because if hes been watching the dogs wander on and off for 2 hours it must be some big field hes working his dogs on that run adjasent to the farmers land for them to wander to and frow. i work the dales and from what i can recall the fields are tiny . i just think its sad that the farmer dint try sort it out right and decided to shoot the mans dogs , but if i was the lad then i wouldnt have been running fields near the other farmers land that had sheep on , so he was in the wrong as well for letting them.

but as for poaching i would think that most people on here that hunt have poached as well as your self (TECKLE) and if you say you havnt and you are a hunter and not a pretend hunter (ANTI IN DISGUISE) then im calling you a lier !

[bill 5]

back to the matter at hand....if the dog is a certain distance from its owner it can be shot no questions asked i dont no the distance but thats the law....but most farmers would,nt shoot a dog sound like these 2 had probably had enough of dog trespass

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Buttercup park, boot of a car

[Guest night time my time]

leave it to the lad whos dogs were shot,he who runs away lives to fight another day, hope he puts it right, very sad news,most of us havea little shine across boundrys so we'd be wrong to say he was wrong,

[bill 5]

its all part of the life we lead

[dean 29 27]

If the dogs didnt actually kill any of his livestock then why didnt the farmer just tell him to shift. I'd be up there with a gun, make sure there wasnt any sheep to worry!

[BULL 96]

you know the farm ,so you know the farmer or were he lives ,you have plenty of time to right any wrong you may thinks been done to you !

what ever your mate decides to do is his own decision .

revenge is best served cold as we know but in this case maybe very cold a few years down the line ,as the filth are involved,

very sad mate

[poacherkev 64]

The rules acording to defra

Animal welfare: The Control of Dogs act

Dogs worrying livestock

 

The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953

Under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 the owner and anyone else under whose control the dog is at the time will be guilty of an offence if it worries livestock on agricultural land. The dog must have been attacking or chasing livestock in such a way that it could reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering or, in the case of females, abortion or the loss or diminution of their produce. An offence is not committed if at the time of the worrying the livestock were trespassing, the dog belonged to the owner of the land on which the trespassing livestock were and the person in charge of the dog did not cause the dog to attack the livestock. The definition of 'livestock' includes cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses and poultry. Game birds are not included.

 

The Animals Act 1971

Civil liability arises from the Animals Act 1971. Anyone who is the keeper of a dog that causes damage by killing or injuring livestock is liable for the damage caused. For the purposes of the Act the keeper is the owner or the person in possession of the dog. The head of the household is liable where the owner is under the age of 16.

 

The keeper of the dog is not liable where the damage is due wholly to the fault of the person suffering it or if the livestock were killed or injured on land onto which they had strayed and either the dog belonged to the occupier or its presence was authorised by the occupier.

 

Under the Act there is a defence available to someone who is the subject of civil proceedings for killing or injuring a dog that was worrying or about to worry livestock. The defence can be used where there were no other means of ending or preventing the worrying or where the dog that had done the worrying was still in the vicinity and not under control and there were no practicable means of establishing ownership.

 

The definition of livestock in the 1971 Act is wider than in the 1953Act. Here it includes pheasants, partridges and grouse whilst in captivity.

 

The bottom line is that the farmer could have had a word in the two hours he waited to shoot the dogs But on the other hand the lurchers owner wasent blind so he must have seen the farmers sat there watching him and he must have known he was NOT on his land hunting so its a 50/50 thing ...But i still think a word first was the best way of sorting it all out we all know the saying GET OFF MY LAND..

[APRILLA STU 1]

definately needs a match 2 his nice hay loft if he has one. i would b burning down his farm with him init.and russle all his sheep.put@@@@ out of bussiness.sad affair. feel for u mate.

[martin 332]

He said one of his dogs did worry a sheep! He has been to the filth, and the farmer was in the right

 

The policve are talking absolute BULLSHIT mate,you can only shoot a dog that is worrying sheep if you have tried every other avenue to stop the animal,and,they would have to bve very sure they could prove that as well.I would seek the advice of a solicitor.Or,wait a few weeks and go and shoot every sheep in the field,and,I'm afraid that is what I would do,I would go to jail for my dogs.....FACT.................martin.

 

p.s. try the lawyer that advertises in the Countrymans weekly.

[Guest mickyrichardson]

Just found out off a friend of mine where i get my pet food from. That another friend of ours had his dogs shot dead last week while out on the dales...

 

 

3 Whippets and a lurcher... All shot for straying out of his own permission and on to another farmers land. The farmer had watched him, for a cpl of hours. Straying on and off his land where his sheep were grazing. He had to leave the dogs were they lay and do one... The farmer was backed by 3 other quad riding farmers....very sad affair but these farmers meant business.....

if ever a farmer/gamekeeper even threatend to shoot mine there would be hell on the fookers would have to move out my way as there life would be sh1t waking up to find shit pumped through his letterbox cars gone walls knocked down and i would never ease off but i would never have a sheep worrying dog and if i ever did i would gladly put a bullet in it as i understand farmers not wanting to let lads round his sheep with dogs

[jackard 36]

He said one of his dogs did worry a sheep! He has been to the filth, and the farmer was in the right

 

The policve are talking absolute BULLSHIT mate,you can only shoot a dog that is worrying sheep if you have tried every other avenue to stop the animal,and,they would have to bve very sure they could prove that as well.I would seek the advice of a solicitor.Or,wait a few weeks and go and shoot every sheep in the field,and,I'm afraid that is what I would do,I would go to jail for my dogs.....FACT.................martin.

 

p.s. try the lawyer that advertises in the Countrymans weekly.

 

[threbb 0]

Because they can! And he was on his land, the farmer isnt going to bother which dog it was, is he! He had the chance and he took it....

That is complete crap.A dog is property and knowone has the right to shoot them without very good reason and if they are worrying sheep the shooting would have to be whilst the dog was in the act.Straying onto land is not good reason to shoot a dog.Your not a farmer yourself by any chance are you?

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

If what you say is fact, you have a winning case there guaranteed! I would be pressing charges! But I find it very hard to belive that any police officer would say that shooting three dogs for simply tresspassing into a field containing sheep, was right! Very strange!

 

Good luck with the case....... as he would be a complete idiot if he isnt going to town on the basterds.

[blacktabs 3]

Sheep are all heavy with young this time of year and chasing a sheep now is same as worrying em we was brought up in sheep country and they dont mind the majority of dog owners but during the season the farms near tourist spots a few would get shot each year always due to irresponsible folks letting their dogs off that had never been broken to em.

price of lamb nowadays im not suprised

I know its not fair to the owners of the dogs but its just as unfair on the farmer if half his flock abort due to being worried.

If your mates going to contest it hed better be carefull what he says just being on the fields this time of year us enough in a lot of judges eyes.