Hunts flushing fox to birds of prey?

[Maccley 0]

Unfortunately eagle owls are very cheap and very easy to come by. Being big birds they attract people who think they are well ard having one. Approximately 90% of owned eagle owls are never flown and sit out most of their lives in an aviary(usually too small. And as stated rescue centers, falconry centers, tourist attractions etc are full of them.

 

As for using them on hunts, they are shown at hunts because a loop hole in the law states that once a bird of prey is off the fist, it reverts to being a wild and uncontrollable animal and its prey cannot be precise. However, yes they do have the power to kill a fox outright, but can you imagine what would happen to a bird that attacked a fox being pursued by a pack of hounds. approximately 5 seconds after hitting the fox the bird would be ripped apart by the pack!

 

Looks good on the tele and in the papers but have never heard of, never mind seen any bird catching the fox for a hunt.

 

I took on a Eurasian (european) Eagle Owl to train to hunt and it is very hard work as a) they are ambush predators so they prefer to sit and wait for prey to come to them they are not the brightest animal on the planet c) once dropped to hunting weight they become very aggressive. He still goes out hunting but to date has not caught a thing.

 

With the discussion on here about goldies hunting deer, it is possible and I have seen it on very small deer, however if you watch eagles in their natural habitat, 9 times out of 10 they actually scavenge and when they rarely do hunt larger animals they tend to try and knock them over or off cliffs etc. I think Hare is the preferred quarry with goldies.

 

However there is nothing quite like flying any bird of prey and any good falconer will tell you it is the flight we train for as kills are rarely more than once or twice (but sometimes a few more) with a single bird on a single day. Can I just point out i don't hunt falcons so, this may differ for them and these are only my own personal experiences.

 

Something we do now on a regular basis is lamping using a dog and a hawk. Hawk gets first shout, but if we think its not a good flight then the dog goes in.

[Guest MY LAW]

why all of a sudden are some of you acting like kids ,on about shoe laces ,my only conclusion is you are kids . i have only disputed that a eagle can and does kill foxes on a regular basis ,and there is no proof that it can ,it only grabs a hold ,and on the odd lucky ocasion a fox dies , nothing more nothing less ,there is not a vid or other proof that they can do it most of the time ,so why do you bother to keep on trying to prove otherwise.THEY CANT and THEY DONT

 

So can you prove it CAN'T be done then?

Because unless you can, you don't have an argument for your case either.

 

Have you ever seen footage of a dog killing a human?

Or maybe that couldn't happen either?

i see your another one with a fountain of knowledge behind you ,and just looking to stir shit .just read some of the other post .do you think i would just keep on about things if i knew feck all ,like i say nearly 50years of living the life has taught and showed me reality from fiction . Edited December 31, 2008 by MY LAW

[Halfinch 51]

why all of a sudden are some of you acting like kids ,on about shoe laces ,my only conclusion is you are kids . i have only disputed that a eagle can and does kill foxes on a regular basis ,and there is no proof that it can ,it only grabs a hold ,and on the odd lucky ocasion a fox dies , nothing more nothing less ,there is not a vid or other proof that they can do it most of the time ,so why do you bother to keep on trying to prove otherwise.THEY CANT and THEY DONT

 

So can you prove it CAN'T be done then?

Because unless you can, you don't have an argument for your case either.

 

Have you ever seen footage of a dog killing a human?

Or maybe that couldn't happen either?

i see your another one with a fountain of knowledge behind you ,and just looking to stir shit .just read some of the other post .do you think i would just keep on about things if i knew feck all ,like i say nearly 50years of living the life has taught and showed me reality from fiction .

Never said i Knew sh*t about BOP, just that you keep on demanding proof they can take and kill fox, why don't you prove they can't.

You seem to run out the same old line about being "a fountain of knowledge"

Well if YOU are a fountain of knowledge as you seem to imply, it shouldn't be a problem for you to prove your point.

Edited December 31, 2008 by Halfinch

[Guest MY LAW]

why all of a sudden are some of you acting like kids ,on about shoe laces ,my only conclusion is you are kids . i have only disputed that a eagle can and does kill foxes on a regular basis ,and there is no proof that it can ,it only grabs a hold ,and on the odd lucky ocasion a fox dies , nothing more nothing less ,there is not a vid or other proof that they can do it most of the time ,so why do you bother to keep on trying to prove otherwise.THEY CANT and THEY DONT

 

So can you prove it CAN'T be done then?

Because unless you can, you don't have an argument for your case either.

 

Have you ever seen footage of a dog killing a human?

Or maybe that couldn't happen either?

i see your another one with a fountain of knowledge behind you ,and just looking to stir shit .just read some of the other post .do you think i would just keep on about things if i knew feck all ,like i say nearly 50years of living the life has taught and showed me reality from fiction .

Never said i Knew sh*t about BOP, just that you keep on demanding proof they can take and kill fox, why don't you prove they can't.

You seem to run out the same old line about being "a fountain of knowledge"

Well if YOU are a fountain of knowledge as you seem to imply, it shouldn't be a problem for you to prove your point.

the proof they dont ,speeks for its self ,there dont seem to be any hard everdence of it hapining on a regular basis .but if it does then prove me wrong .end of story .end of subject ,i have had enough of dealing with no brainers on this mater.its like floging a dead horse . Edited December 31, 2008 by MY LAW

[Guest w.m.avian]

i told you umpteen times your welcom to join us next year and i bet you want belive when i say a 1.5 -2lb saker falcon can take a roe or even a harris hawk take a roe in rect we had one take dogs cats foxes tryed a cow ect law come with us see for your self

 

flight 123 pound acomidation 15 a night if that bring 150 spending money and live like a king

 

but do not start slaging birds off to them saying all this all you will be on the list for next days chase

[Guest MY LAW]

i told you umpteen times your welcom to join us next year and i bet you want belive when i say a 1.5 -2lb saker falcon can take a roe or even a harris hawk take a roe in rect we had one take dogs cats foxes tryed a cow ect law come with us see for your self

 

flight 123 pound acomidation 15 a night if that bring 150 spending money and live like a king

 

but do not start slaging birds off to them saying all this all you will be on the list for next days chase

sorry but like i said umpteen times ,they might grab a hold but they dont kill them ,i will stay home and watch FANTASIA in stead.ATB

[Guest w.m.avian]

because you do not want to be proved wrong

 

plused you probly open your mouth and say somthing stupid