time to ground

[bullcross1 10]

IMO there are very, very few terriers that, these days, get a 6 hour dig in their lives!!

 

I'm not talking about trapped terriers, but actually staying to the task (even though they could walk!)

 

If only 6 hour plus terriers are to be bred from then there would soon be no terriers at all.

 

And there is a huge difference between staying in one spot 6 hours and having to go round and round an earth for the majority of those hours.

 

IMO Breed from what your happy with, don't worry about anyone elses standards. ...JD

 

what do you think takes the better dog jd, staying in the one

spot six hours or running for six hours ???

 

its simple really a boxer fighting for six hours or a runner doing the same

[VOON 1,317]

Good thread,

 

Interesting to see different attitudes to working terriers.

 

Two stories to provide food for thought.

 

1.

When we starting out digging went digging with a man who had a pack of footbeagles and some foxhounds and a assortment of Russell types ~ meant to be great terriers to ground ~ was considering buying a some pups of him. Terrier to ground around four foot, no real urgency to dig ~ had me scratching me head. after 20 minutes of talking about digging we started to open up got about a foot down stop digging for a chat about a previous great dig, dug another foot ~ another chat about breeding, then we hit a little flint or slag which made the digging a bit hard~ stop again ~ your man wanted to send his son home for a kango and jenny to break through the last foot ~ myself and me mates said fcuk this at this stage give us the bar and we started to hammer away at flint and were about 6 inches away when the dog arrives up on the sod "quick let down flossy" says your man, down went flossy and we dug in the same spot to the game. but the point in a long winded way is that dig would have taken us no more than 45 mins normally even with the flint, took us over two hours, but it wasnt our ground to take over the dig and we didnt want to seem disrespectful, we didnt buy any pups but i wouldnt have blamed the dog for coming out with the fannying around that was going on. I wouldnt set a time limit on dogs, if a dog can do 2 or 3 hours most of them will do six providing the dont start get exhausted from lack of air etc. there nothing in a dogs mind that says the 90 minutes is,up i dont want to do extra time! we'll take the draw and beat them in a replay.

 

 

 

2. in the early mid 's not sure of the dates a well known terrier man was going to KG in the UK to buy some paterdales. When he got over there Ken had a terrier just started i think but young terrier anyhows. your man rings a friend over here and tells him the dog is for sale would he be interested. Sure says mate get 3 days digging out of him and if he keeps at it buy him. the dog done that and was bought and bred to a variety of bitches russell types half glens etc and i cant remember ever hearing of a pup of that dog that didnt work but later on after breeding pups out of that line things went wrong but it was the bitches that was bred to him ~ the bitch line is just as important, but IMO you can test a dog over a small period of time, and if he's doing it for you breed him to a well bred bitch and see keep the pups for testing or give some to friends to test and if the breeding dont click you'd have to reconsider the dogs breeding capalabilities. Quoting p***y here when i say is he a "producer of workers" and can you get good stock from him dont seem much point in waiting five years before you try that acid test.

 

Voon.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

This is more like the stuff I like to read on here. Good thread this.

[bri1970 22]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

in my opinion a dog should piss 3/4 hours to a fox.in a lot of the places i used to hunt a dog had to be able to stay for this length of time,minimum,to get a result.quick 1/2 hour digs tell you nothing of a dogs ability to stay and to the lads who say there digs never go over 2/3 hours,count yourself lucky that you can pick and choose your spots.

cheers.

[Guest RAB.MCKAY]

:angel:i believe that any dog wich you breed for hunding must be out of working stalk and have proved them self no less than 3 seasons.

[Guest pikey]

i like to see gameness in my terriers before i breed off any of them. i dont set out to see it but like some of you know you will come across it when your doing a lot of digging. i like to see a terrier thats going hell for leather with the game, keeping him in the one spot, taking punishment that any time he can walk out............. but dont !!!!!!!!!!!!!! i like to see a dog that can just about stand and wobbles and still wants to get at the game even thought he did his job........a dog that when your walking back up to the van you wonder are thick stupit or what to be taking that punishment then you think to yourself there game dogs game dogs thats why they do it........there the dogs i keep and thats what i breed off nothing less........will do p***y !!!!!

[valerio 32]

I work mainly rock and undiggable places and in my kennell there is no place for a 6 h stayer.It would be no use for me,What I want from my dog is to go in and do everything he can to bolt his quarry or kill it.But some quarry wouldn't bolt and can't be killed,an experienced rocks dog know that and will come away but only after trying every trick.A dog that can do this work week in week out for 4 or 5 seasons is worth breeding from.

the dogs we work are jagdterriers and I class them as hard dogs and are all capable of killing their fox in the right place

Edited December 30, 2008 by valerio

[spiderpig 39]

valerio has a valid point,some hunt lads need a dog they can shout out too!! yes shout out. its dogs for jobs what suits one dousnt suit another and as for the comment that a dog should take hold even when the fox has a vantage point i disagree, what about when you have a big dog in a tight spot,he is on his side or back trying to push through in undiggable chalk which i work a lot??? a good fox in a good place can wreck a terrier far more than other quarry in my opinion. how many times have you honestly dug to your dog to find him smashed up maybe even his palet lifted and roof in to find the fox sat there seemingly unscathed?? its happened to me many times but maybe i just have shit dogs. in my opinion you need a variety of dogs for a variety of jobs,

when i was doing them for the hounds i would have

a bolting dog one that wouldnt make a mess of a fox if it didnt bother the others then it was magic as you could move foxes from places where you shouldnt be,, this dog was a handy tool and in no way considered a jacker or shit it was like gold dust.

 

you would need a dog round here that could work big bale stacks? sound easy? ha finding a dog to work foxes properly in these and work every level whithout having to lift it up top them is very hard

 

you would need a dog that you could put your life on that when you put it to ground no matter if the dig was ten minutes or ten hours that it would be right there on the button exactly where you needed it to be

 

and a dog that you know would either kill a fox in a bad place or bully things into a good position for cleaning out unwanted guests.

 

the first dog is also good for false drains where you need em out bolted or into a net whithout having to lift the bed and disturb it or break the pipe and as for other things in them the best dog was a set of drain rods!

 

but i know 99% of the earths i work and know what dog to use where for the best results ect

 

everyone is different

 

a sprinter is shit at a marathon where as a marathon runner is shit at sprinting so you breed from whatever the f**k you want but above all be honest with yourself and your dogs capabilitys

and in my opinion lads doing it all know the situation with dogs jobs and breeding so we are just educating the uneducated . we all do what we do and do it different but the thing is there is still decent lads still doing it, im happy yet always striving for something a little more and i think once you lose the inclination to do this then your time is up as you are lying to yourself

 

1 last thing

 

a dog is only ever as good as its last fox

[spiderpig 39]

also to add

 

i am not colour or breed or anything else blind

 

i like working my dogs so a dog that can do a job how i want it done is good enough for me weather its a 6hr dig or one i can quietly drop in a forbidden sett stand back and bolt some foxes and shout it out,i wish i had one of them now thats for sure

[woodard 32]

shouting dogs out thats funny if any of my dogs came away from its quarry i would not class them as a fox dog the best dogs i have had have done anything from a day to 3 days to there fox and the dogs i am on about that have done 3 days could kill a fox very fast

ive had some easy digs with them at 2 foot and broke in to the fox dead thats the sort of dog i like cos i no when he is to ground be it 1 foot or 15 foot he is doing his or her job very well and i no when i break in to the tube the fox is in a stop end with no where to go cant do with these dogs on big digs or small where you got to wait 30mins for them to settle down then you dig and the fox move on and you got some div telling you its a world beater like some one said you can have the best dog and some fox will have the best place to sit and will smash every tooth out of your dogs head and your dog cant do a thing about it if a dog come out i would not breed from it that why there is so much wank out there woodbe fox dogs ive shit umm

[darcysgimp 0]

shouting dogs out thats funny if any of my dogs came away from its quarry i would not class them as a fox dog the best dogs i have had have done anything from a day to 3 days to there fox and the dogs i am on about that have done 3 days could kill a fox very fast

ive had some easy digs with them at 2 foot and broke in to the fox dead thats the sort of dog i like cos i no when he is to ground be it 1 foot or 15 foot he is doing his or her job very well and i no when i break in to the tube the fox is in a stop end with no where to go cant do with these dogs on big digs or small where you got to wait 30mins for them to settle down then you dig and the fox move on and you got some div telling you its a world beater like some one said you can have the best dog and some fox will have the best place to sit and will smash every tooth out of your dogs head and your dog cant do a thing about it if a dog come out i would not breed from it that why there is so much wank out there woodbe fox dogs ive shit umm

you obviously only belive ya own lies then

[alimac 882]

shouting dogs out thats funny if any of my dogs came away from its quarry i would not class them as a fox dog the best dogs i have had have done anything from a day to 3 days to there fox and the dogs i am on about that have done 3 days could kill a fox very fast

ive had some easy digs with them at 2 foot and broke in to the fox dead thats the sort of dog i like cos i no when he is to ground be it 1 foot or 15 foot he is doing his or her job very well and i no when i break in to the tube the fox is in a stop end with no where to go cant do with these dogs on big digs or small where you got to wait 30mins for them to settle down then you dig and the fox move on and you got some div telling you its a world beater like some one said you can have the best dog and some fox will have the best place to sit and will smash every tooth out of your dogs head and your dog cant do a thing about it if a dog come out i would not breed from it that why there is so much wank out there woodbe fox dogs ive shit umm

 

yeh what ever you say, a bitch iv just retired has stayed to ground for 7 or so hours working away at her quarry at a dig that was only 2 shovel fulls, but she still stayed and worked away ( self entered, post on here) yet i could put her to ground and let her get to work and shout her off, and out she would come, if moron macho diggers (not dogmen) like you think a dog like this aint worth breeding from your mental, its another feather in a working dogs cap, and a one thats worth more than there weight in gold

Edited December 31, 2008 by alimac

[woodard 32]

shouting dogs out thats funny if any of my dogs came away from its quarry i would not class them as a fox dog the best dogs i have had have done anything from a day to 3 days to there fox and the dogs i am on about that have done 3 days could kill a fox very fast

ive had some easy digs with them at 2 foot and broke in to the fox dead thats the sort of dog i like cos i no when he is to ground be it 1 foot or 15 foot he is doing his or her job very well and i no when i break in to the tube the fox is in a stop end with no where to go cant do with these dogs on big digs or small where you got to wait 30mins for them to settle down then you dig and the fox move on and you got some div telling you its a world beater like some one said you can have the best dog and some fox will have the best place to sit and will smash every tooth out of your dogs head and your dog cant do a thing about it if a dog come out i would not breed from it that why there is so much wank out there woodbe fox dogs ive shit umm

 

yeh what ever you say, a bitch iv just retired has stayed to ground for 7 or so hours working away at her quarry at a dig that was only 2 shovel fulls, but she still stayed and worked away ( self entered, post on here) yet i could put her to ground and let her get to work and shout her off, and out she would come, if moron macho diggers (not dogmen) like you think a dog like this aint worth breeding from your mental, its another feather in a working dogs cap, and a one thats worth more than there weight in gold

lmao you worked a dog to a fox for 7 hours that was 2 shovel full your full of shit bud

like i said thats why there is so much shit about idiots like you and so called terrier men leveing walking off and leveing dogs to ground clowns

[flyboy 11]

why in the name of fcuk would anybody wait around for seven or so hours when it was only two shovels full deep , that bloke has to be takin the piss .

[anythingoes 28]

Maybe we should all leave our dogs to ground for 6 hours then,even if we can feel them thumping on the ground below our feet.Have a reading at 2ft but feck off home for tea and cakes,wash the car,mow the lawn then go back and see if the dogs still there and worth breeding from?????????????Wolfy mate leave the drugs alone they don't suit you,you mentalist!!!!!!!!. at Dev...

 

 

think you have a point there mate