time to ground

[chilli 381]

The last two replies are the reason why experienced terrier men on this forum dont bother posting any more because the shapers and the know nothings always have a stupid answer for anything put up.Instead of mabye listening and mabye learn something.I have never seen a dog dug to on a regular basis (even the hardest of dogs) who have not come to grief sooner or later by a wiley old fox who makes him pay when he has the advantage.And i still dont understand how with locaters dogs are getting dug more frequently so they are more experienced than dogs that were dug without locators .I would have thought the longer a dog was to ground he would be learning more and be more experienced.At least i can get a laugh from the two Mr Einsteins who probally watched a few videos and then baught the t shirt

 

I'M NOT THAT OLD BUT WHEN I STARTED DIGGING MYSELF AND MY PARTNER DID'NT HAVE THE CASH FOR A LOCATOR, WE HAD TO LEARN TO LOCATE THE DOG THE OLD WAY AND IT MAY HAVE TAKEN 2 HOLES BUT WE GOT THERE. A 2 hr dig then would be a 30 minute dig now. If a dog

spews it spews. No matter how long or short, the thing to do is CULL, not sell on or give on.

 

JMO.

spot on EAMON

[dogbone 0]

maybe 3 or 4 years back 5 of us where regularly digging, taking a number of terriers and racing with each other to drop dogs (1)into earths, the numbers where great, the digs where short and fast, mostly, and we had the option of staying clear of deaper places. the staying power of the dog was never tested or at best rarely, now things are different, i dig mainly on my own and even in the shallow places i may put my coat down drink a flask and have a roam before i even consider digging ,i am always checking the time to ground, this is only one of a number of important points, a dog that wants to take hold etc is of no use given time and work they inevitably start to come away. staying power in a dog relieves stress on yourself and is of huge importance in the maintenance of our workers, anything that will not stay with its quarry for less than six hours should never be bred from on the dog side, whats your take on this. thats also not to say he would be to far back as to not feel his quarrys breath.

in my experiance (im no expert by the way) 6+ hr digs are rare, the vast magority of digs are over under the 1hr mark, 2 and 3 hr digs are common but anything over 3 is unusal around my neck of the woods . and if we didnt breed from a terrier untill it proved itself on 6 hr digs then we would never have a litter

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[francolin 449]

if it takes a terrier six hours to sort a fox out its not worth breeding from.

so a terrier stays with a fox six hours or more takes punishment but cant finish him , fox is on a tight ledge , or in tight roots ect, terrier stays till dug to for assistance , is it not worth breeding from,all spots are diff, the same dog could sort a fox in minutes under diff conditions below ground.

[Guest rexdigger]

what about baying dogs there is some out there that will stay for days until dug to and not get a mark on them are they not worthy to be bred from???????????

[Guest Chip]

the worst do ive had in my short time digging was to a scrawny little town vixen in the right spot.

Edited December 26, 2008 by Chip

[wolfy 79]

i started this topic, with one comment, question , it was ,does anyone take the time to ground into account when a dog works, i also stated that every aspect of a terriers work must be scruitinised for the good of our working breeds, nothing was mentioned about other atributes ,such as hardness .a dog or bitch to be breed from must first and foremost be exceptional at the job for which he is kept. we could also talk about areas rock, sand etc. for me a dog must stay, and i value it highly.we have just sent a dog to ireland ,he is very sensible and will bay and stay , even let the quarry move about a bit? but should ,the quarry want to move after a certain amount of time the dog will change tacticts and hold,never sustaining much in the way of injury, i personally feel this dog gets to know his opposition first, and that takes time, time to ground.

[Guest rexdigger]

do you have any pictures of your super dogs??????????

[wolfy 79]

do you have any pictures of your super dogs??????????

ill send you a pawed autograph.

[Guest rexdigger]

thanks lol

[blackdogs no 1 24]

i started this topic, with one comment, question , it was ,does anyone take the time to ground into account when a dog works, i also stated that every aspect of a terriers work must be scruitinised for the good of our working breeds, nothing was mentioned about other atributes ,such as hardness .a dog or bitch to be breed from must first and foremost be exceptional at the job for which he is kept. we could also talk about areas rock, sand etc. for me a dog must stay, and i value it highly.we have just sent a dog to ireland ,he is very sensible and will bay and stay , even let the quarry move about a bit? but should ,the quarry want to move after a certain amount of time the dog will change tacticts and hold,never sustaining much in the way of injury, i personally feel this dog gets to know his opposition first, and that takes time, time to ground.

nearly eight year ago a dug to a dog for five days was old qaurry rock wasnt me was out wae the dog but was ma dog that dog jammed his self that tight a couldnt free him we used landrovers to remove these boulders then kangols etc dog suffocated now a got a grandson to its brother which is dead and so is mother .people are askin 4 line n dogs only 20 month

[Fell boy 0]

Ive been digging with terriers now for 19 seasons and my father has for over 40 and in my experiance is at the moment i got a bitch in kennel that must have 150 plus digs under belt and i can honestly say i dont think she could do 6 hours ,shes used week in week out and exceptional at her job ,i have also got a dog who needs to be dug to if entered but gets punished every dig ,so in my opinion the bitch is of more use to me ,dog is a 6 hour plus dog but we can only use him about 6 or 7 times a year

[J Darcy 5,871]

IMO there are very, very few terriers that, these days, get a 6 hour dig in their lives!!

 

I'm not talking about trapped terriers, but actually staying to the task (even though they could walk!)

 

If only 6 hour plus terriers are to be bred from then there would soon be no terriers at all.

 

And there is a huge difference between staying in one spot 6 hours and having to go round and round an earth for the majority of those hours.

 

IMO Breed from what your happy with, don't worry about anyone elses standards. ...JD

[wink hound 0]

.......or just add some spaniel in to spice things up..........

[jackard 36]

Think you hit the nail on the head dev,i dont even know of anyone thats had a 6hrs dig,u must be talking 20ft for it to take so long! But im still confused because if your dog went to ground and stayed for 6hrs and its a 15ft dig for example id be getting the JCB out and getting down to him asap! Seen some nasty foxes give a terrier a hard time after an hour or 2 but 6hrs you got to be having a laugh!

it doesnt have to be 15 or 20 foot for a six hour dig mate , not all ground is softanoth, years ago all i worked was iner citys and have come up on sum right shit to get through to get down to the terriers ( concrete , old spring beds , wire , plastic, stone slabs are just afew obsticles to get through ) but thats the joys of inercitys and old tips !

when you get on long hour digs i think it does prove how good your dog is and also agree with wolfy that a dog shouldnt be breed from until its worthy , but again its all to do with what land you hunt , ive seen many a man work his terriers sore just to prove to them selfs that the terrier isnt going to jak before they will ever take a litter from them

[Guest sparky]

IMO there are very, very few terriers that, these days, get a 6 hour dig in their lives!!

 

I'm not talking about trapped terriers, but actually staying to the task (even though they could walk!)

 

If only 6 hour plus terriers are to be bred from then there would soon be no terriers at all.

 

And there is a huge difference between staying in one spot 6 hours and having to go round and round an earth for the majority of those hours.

 

IMO Breed from what your happy with, don't worry about anyone elses standards. ...JD

 

what do you think takes the better dog jd, staying in the one

spot six hours or running for six hours ???